Stupid and Evil

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  1. posted by Edward TJ Brown on

    1. Not all Palestinians back Hamas. Hamas is not queer-friendly, they are basically the KKK, but I never seen good polling data on most Palestinian views on LGBTQ rights.

  2. posted by agee on

    https://jcpa.org/a-new-poll-of-palestinians-supporting-terror-and-rejecting-peace/

    “When taken as a whole, the [polling by the Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD)] results indicate that an overwhelming percentage of Palestinians support the October 7 massacre (75%), reject coexistence with Israel (85.9%), are committed to the restoration of “historical Palestine” as a final resolution (71.1%), and support the creation of a Palestinian state “from the river to the sea” (74.7%) as the end of the Israeli Palestinian conflict.”

    • posted by Agee on

      The latest poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip between 22 November and 2 December 2023: 57% of Gazans and 82% of West Bank Palestinians still view the decision to launch the Oct. 7 attacks as the “correct” one. Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would defeat PA President Mahmoud Abbas 78% to 16% in a potential election. Nearly two-thirds majority of Palestinians reject the two-state solution. https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2090%20English%20press%20release%2013%20Dec%202023%20Final%20New.pdf

    • posted by Edward TJ Brown on

      Interesting. But, I asked for a poll on Palestinian views on LGBTQ rights.

  3. posted by David Skidmore on

    If IGF Culture Watch is horrified by homophobic regimes in the Middle East, I look forward to its support for the destruction of Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Iraq, Jordan and so on – all of which are virulently anti-gay. As it is, the US supports those regimes with weapons and economic aid.

    • posted by Agee on

      If “queer” activists were marching in support of those anti-gay regimes, I would certainly condemn that. Do you think Stephen wouldn’t?

    • posted by Edward TJ Brown on

      Not for nothing, but Jordan’s crackdown on its LGBTQ residents is relatively new.

  4. posted by Jorge on

    Shortly after the mission of Operation: Iraqi Freedom was accomplished, there was an exodus of gays from Iraq, as roving squads of thus loyal to Muqtada al-Sadr began a campaign of kidnappings and gruesome murders. I remember reading a journalist’s account of one family telling their already long-exiled son something like he cannot return, it’s become dangerous again. These kill squads took advantage of existing social norms that were no longer protected by the previous legal framework. In the short term, the social changes that come from war can be very dangerous to vulnerable people. In the long run, eh, we gained neutrals where we hadn’t before. There’s probably more Iraqi families today that would try to protect their gay members. Who knows for sure, though?

    Given that Palestinian civilian casualty figures number in the thousands to tens of thousands, by the time Israel’s war on Hamas is over, it’s an extremely safe bet that more lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer Palestinians–however you slice the acronym–will have been killed by Israeli forces than by either hate crimes or state-sanctioned execution or murder.

    When the Israeli military encounters gay men in Gaza, they will not see “Queers.” They will see potential Hamas militants.

    It is very difficult to both stand with Israel and to take a stand on behalf of the innocents who are destined to die in Palestine. I can count the number of public and private individuals who have pulled off that balance on less than one hand. I am not among that number.

    • posted by Agee on

      In World War II, I’m sure the Americans and allies killed gay Germans and Japanese when they bombed German and Japanese cities to destroy their industries and force their surrender. But America didn’t start that war, Germany and Japan did. Israel didn’t start this war.
      Also, I suspect the statistics on civilian casualties provided by a terrorist organization may be highly inflated. Unlike Hamas, Israel is not intentionally trying to kill civilians.

  5. posted by David Skidmore on

    It seems like a reasonable question – why would you support anti-gay Hamas against the Israeli regime which is more gay-friendly (within certain parameters)? On the other hand, it is hardly reasonable for Palestinians to support Israel after the regime has just killed their family members and bombed their homes. I certainly would not.

    • posted by Agee on

      See my comment above. But I’ll repeat — Israel didn’t start this war. Hamas and the PA have turned down repeated offers to move toward a 2-state solution. Unlike Hamas, Israel is not intentionally trying to kill civilians in order to kill civilians.

  6. posted by Kosh III on

    “Hamas and the PA have turned down repeated offers to move toward a 2-state solution.”
    Nope
    https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace/

    ” Israel could have had peace at many times in the past 75 years. However, such a peace would have required Israel giving up most of the Palestinian land — specifically, Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem — it conquered in the Six-Day War in 1967″ in defiance of UN Resolution 242 which Israel rejects to this day.
    “Amos Malka, one-time head of Israeli military intelligence, explained it straightforwardly in 2004. “It is possible to reach an agreement,” he said, “under the following conditions: a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital and sovereignty on the Temple Mount; 97 percent of the West Bank plus exchanges of territory in the ratio of 1:1 with respect to the remaining territory;”
    PM Rabin 1993 ““We do not accept the Palestinian goal of an independent Palestinian state between Israel and Jordan.”
    2012 “the head of Hamas’s military wing had become convinced that Palestinians should negotiate a long-term truce with Israel. On the same day Ahmed Jabari, Hamas’s military chief, was reviewing a draft proposal for such a truce, Israel assassinated him.”

  7. posted by Agee on

    Quoting “The Intercept” as authoritative is funny. The rest of your propagandistic assertions and outright lies could have been written by Hamas.

    A different view of why the Oslo Accords failed:
    “Very early on during the establishment of the security services of the Palestinian Authority, it was noted by Israeli observers that the number of Palestinians in arms and the types of armaments being brought into Palestinian Authority territory were significantly exceeding the limits established by the agreements. This led to the suspicion that Arafat was constructing an offensive army rather than a police force.
    But the greatest Israeli anger was elicited by the fact that the Palestinian Authority was doing very little to prevent terrorist attacks emanating from its territory. It refused to take steps towards disarming terrorist militias, permitted terrorist organizations to operate open offices in its territory, and either refused to arrest terrorists or would adopt a policy of “revolving door” arrests–placing terrorists in prison for a handful of days and then releasing them.
    As terrorist attacks against Israelis exacted a heavy toll in civilians killed and wounded, the entire conception that had been presented to Israelis — of the Oslo process creating efficient Palestinian security teams that would be better than Israeli soldiers in combating terrorism — collapsed. Palestinian explanations that they “couldn’t be expected to be collaborators and fight against their own people” rang hollow to Israeli ears in the face of civilian deaths.”

    In addition, Stephen posted these links in an earlier piece about “Queers for Palestine”:
    — (https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1727381751029530765) Ethnic Cleansing 101
    — (https://twitter.com/askdani__real/status/1722969705927893336) Difficulty level: Palestine.
    — (https://t.co/y3RcCAxQhk) They deny and lie until the denials and lies are categorically disproven, then they slither to their next denials and lies. — Guy Benson

  8. posted by Edward TJ Brown on

    Again, Hamas is basically the KKK and should be dealt with as such.

    Israel has had time to develop itself, strengthen democratic institutions, adapt a bill of rights in its basic law and so forth. Thats why, under liberal and progressive governments gay rights laws changed for better.

    It does not justify the discrimination against Arab Israelis or the occupation.

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