20 Comments for “The Kavanaugh Follies Are Just Beginning”
posted by Jorge on
“What is astonishing is that in the dozen pages issued by the HRC painting Kavanaugh as an enemy of the LGBT community, there is not a single mention of anything he has done, said, or written that could be even remotely construed as anti-LGBT.
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In 2003, while on the staff of President George W. Bush, Kavanaugh met with a group of over 200 gay men as part of a Log Cabin Republicans event at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building – hardly the mark of a raging homophobe jurist.”
I remember the 2004 State of the Union Speech like no other speech I have ever heard in my life.
With Fox News you always learn something. It took just one paragraph for it to do what the HRC couldn’t do in eleven pages.
posted by Matthew on
The HRC is a stealth anti-gay pro-tr*nscult Democrat hack organization who, in the years before gay marriage was legal, cared more about their rubber chicken dinners than actually accomplishing anything.
posted by David Bauler on
Thankfully, Matthew has agreed that he is a troll, and will go away.
posted by Matthew on
David Bauler admits he’s a sockpuppet and that he posted that fake posting that used my name.
posted by David Bauler on
I admitted no such thing. Where as you have very clearly shown your true colors.
posted by Matthew on
Yes, you did, you lying asshole. You admitted it the day you projected your own trollhood onto me with your name in the signature. Denial is a form of lying.
posted by Matthew on
And like all Regressive Leftists everywhere on the internet, you have been trolling ever since. You have contributed nothing of value but personal insults, threats, and outright lies.
posted by Kosh III on
“In 2003, while on the staff of President George W. Bush, Kavanaugh met with a group of over 200 gay men as part of a Log Cabin Republicans”
Well whoop de doodee!
What did he say? You deserve marriage equality? you deserve liberty and pursuit of happiness? or did he tell them that Bush and the GOP planned an all out assault on gays in 2004; which is what happened.
Just meeting means nothing unless we know what was said and how he acted.
Confirm Judge Garland!
posted by Matthew on
All the while the Democrats were planning their own stealth war on gays.
posted by Chang on
What stealth war? What racist BS are you spreading?
posted by Matthew on
You know exactly what I’m talking about. The tr*nscult is a stealth war on gay rights and women’s rights being waged by the Slaveocrat Party so they can roll back the clock and make it look like it’s the Republicans, the party founded to get rid of slavery in the first place, who are doing it.
And as for racism, I wouldn’t go pointing fingers after all I’ve read about Chinese imperialism in Africa.
posted by JohnInCA on
They could always wait for the rest of Kavanaugh’s documents from his time in the Bush administration to be delivered for review, rather then pushing ahead with the hearing before they’ve even been delivered.
posted by Jorge on
They can wait until Muller’s investigation is over and President Trump gets acquitted in the Senate for all I care. There’s always enough time to Make America Great Again.
posted by JohnInCa on
Eh. Unless the House or Senate directly opens an investigation into President Trump himself, there’s no call to delay on that account.
Waiting for his papers? Plenty of call for that.
posted by Jorge on
I fail to see the logic behind that.
Sticking to the gay factor for the sake of argument, the HRC and Fox News have already revealed the negative information: Brett Kavanaugh worked for the Bush administration at the time he considered, decided, and acted to support the Federal Marriage Amendment. (That and whatever the HRC wrote.) There is enough information available for a Democrat or a liberal to reject Kavanaugh’s nomination. There’s no “call” to investigate any more. It is Kavanaugh who should be on his knees begging for more time to present his qualifications. The “call” for Democrats to do is to rush through the hearing and vote No.
Any argument to the contrary, if it is not addressed to Republican supporters as the primary audience, is immediately suspicious to me as an argument that is being made in poor faith. What further need is there to investigate an unqualified candidate?
Now, I have no problem with poor-faith arguments per se, but do not insult your fellows by trying to pass them off as legitimate and sincere. They are not. They are base meat, cheap points, and mediocre bait-and-switches.
Now, since that’s the position I take on the gay angle, let me ask in all seriousness: is there any reason not-gay related to see things any differently?
posted by Matthew on
“Any argument to the contrary, if it is not addressed to Republican supporters as the primary audience, is immediately suspicious to me as an argument that is being made in poor faith. What further need is there to investigate an unqualified candidate?”
When has any member of the Slaveocrat Party ever argued about anything in good faith? Never.
We need a Federal Marriage Amendment that bans all other kinds of marriage except gay marriage. I’m not kidding about this. Heterosexuality is a sin, a choice, and a form of sexual violence. It turns men into violently abusive monsters and women into screaming harpies who hate themselves each other, and the men they claim to be interested in. All those men would be better off with other men. All those women would be better off with other women. They want to thump Bibles on our heads, let us thump them back and even harder with Leviticus 24:19-21, the “eye for an eye” passages. It’s time to start attacking the root cause of homophobia.
posted by JohnInCA on
The logic is pretty simple: knowledge is better then speculation.
With President Trump, unless he is formally charged with something, all we have is speculation. And it’s simply not reasonable to treat the official acts of the president as illegitimate just because he might, at some future point, be found guilty. That standard would neuter the office of president.
With Kavanaugh, currently HRC, ACLU and everyone else is speculating on his record, based on proximity to events. But we can trivially replace speculation of what he did or didn’t do by simply waiting another month. Waiting until the rest of the papers are delivered and reviewed does not undermine anything.
So again: knowledge > speculation. With Trump, we can only speculate at his villainy, and guess when or if he will be formally charged. Treating him as guilty before that point is improper. With Kavanaugh, we can replace speculation with knowledge by waiting a month or two. There is no reason to rush ahead when we can have better information so soon.
posted by Jorge on
With President Trump, unless he is formally charged with something, all we have is speculation. And it’s simply not reasonable to treat the official acts of the president as illegitimate just because he might, at some future point, be found guilty. That standard would neuter the office of president….
Out of context, that sounds reasonable. Where the Democratic party et al concerned, it is hypocritical. The White House can release the documents to give “more time to review”, and all that will happen is that the Democratic party and their interest groups will do more research elsewhere and invent more “questions” and “documents” they want before the hearing should begin.
It reminds me of the story of the family that was being evicted by the landlord in November, and asked for a few weeks’ grace. Then a few weeks later they twisted his arm with the “But it’s almost Christmas!” argument. Everyone and their grandma knows that the Democratic party’s game is to delay the confirmation as long as possible so that it does not occur until after the next Congress is seated. This being the game, the Republican party is playing a counter-game: accountability. Every Senator has the right and responsibility to vote their conscience on the merits and on the process based on their own views and standards. Democrats have chosen a standard of delay, delay, delay, so that they can win the No vote by default. Republicans have heard their message loud and clear, and decided not to give the Democrats the extra votes they’d like. A decision has been reached. Those who live by the political sword can follow Corey Booker’s example and swallow it. And then they can vote No.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
It might be very illuminating to obtain Judge Kavanaugh’s White House documents, if any, pertaining to the 2004 multi-state anti-marriage amendment campaign. Kavanaugh was on staff 2000-2003, at the time when the campaign was being considered and formulated. I’d be curious to know if he advised that the state-level amendments were constitutional. Cf Obergefell.
20 Comments for “The Kavanaugh Follies Are Just Beginning”
posted by Jorge on
“What is astonishing is that in the dozen pages issued by the HRC painting Kavanaugh as an enemy of the LGBT community, there is not a single mention of anything he has done, said, or written that could be even remotely construed as anti-LGBT.
…
In 2003, while on the staff of President George W. Bush, Kavanaugh met with a group of over 200 gay men as part of a Log Cabin Republicans event at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building – hardly the mark of a raging homophobe jurist.”
I remember the 2004 State of the Union Speech like no other speech I have ever heard in my life.
With Fox News you always learn something. It took just one paragraph for it to do what the HRC couldn’t do in eleven pages.
posted by Matthew on
The HRC is a stealth anti-gay pro-tr*nscult Democrat hack organization who, in the years before gay marriage was legal, cared more about their rubber chicken dinners than actually accomplishing anything.
posted by David Bauler on
Thankfully, Matthew has agreed that he is a troll, and will go away.
posted by Matthew on
David Bauler admits he’s a sockpuppet and that he posted that fake posting that used my name.
posted by David Bauler on
I admitted no such thing. Where as you have very clearly shown your true colors.
posted by Matthew on
Yes, you did, you lying asshole. You admitted it the day you projected your own trollhood onto me with your name in the signature. Denial is a form of lying.
posted by Matthew on
And like all Regressive Leftists everywhere on the internet, you have been trolling ever since. You have contributed nothing of value but personal insults, threats, and outright lies.
posted by Kosh III on
“In 2003, while on the staff of President George W. Bush, Kavanaugh met with a group of over 200 gay men as part of a Log Cabin Republicans”
Well whoop de doodee!
What did he say? You deserve marriage equality? you deserve liberty and pursuit of happiness? or did he tell them that Bush and the GOP planned an all out assault on gays in 2004; which is what happened.
Just meeting means nothing unless we know what was said and how he acted.
Confirm Judge Garland!
posted by Matthew on
All the while the Democrats were planning their own stealth war on gays.
posted by Chang on
What stealth war? What racist BS are you spreading?
posted by Matthew on
You know exactly what I’m talking about. The tr*nscult is a stealth war on gay rights and women’s rights being waged by the Slaveocrat Party so they can roll back the clock and make it look like it’s the Republicans, the party founded to get rid of slavery in the first place, who are doing it.
And as for racism, I wouldn’t go pointing fingers after all I’ve read about Chinese imperialism in Africa.
posted by JohnInCA on
They could always wait for the rest of Kavanaugh’s documents from his time in the Bush administration to be delivered for review, rather then pushing ahead with the hearing before they’ve even been delivered.
posted by Jorge on
They can wait until Muller’s investigation is over and President Trump gets acquitted in the Senate for all I care. There’s always enough time to Make America Great Again.
posted by JohnInCa on
Eh. Unless the House or Senate directly opens an investigation into President Trump himself, there’s no call to delay on that account.
Waiting for his papers? Plenty of call for that.
posted by Jorge on
I fail to see the logic behind that.
Sticking to the gay factor for the sake of argument, the HRC and Fox News have already revealed the negative information: Brett Kavanaugh worked for the Bush administration at the time he considered, decided, and acted to support the Federal Marriage Amendment. (That and whatever the HRC wrote.) There is enough information available for a Democrat or a liberal to reject Kavanaugh’s nomination. There’s no “call” to investigate any more. It is Kavanaugh who should be on his knees begging for more time to present his qualifications. The “call” for Democrats to do is to rush through the hearing and vote No.
Any argument to the contrary, if it is not addressed to Republican supporters as the primary audience, is immediately suspicious to me as an argument that is being made in poor faith. What further need is there to investigate an unqualified candidate?
Now, I have no problem with poor-faith arguments per se, but do not insult your fellows by trying to pass them off as legitimate and sincere. They are not. They are base meat, cheap points, and mediocre bait-and-switches.
Now, since that’s the position I take on the gay angle, let me ask in all seriousness: is there any reason not-gay related to see things any differently?
posted by Matthew on
“Any argument to the contrary, if it is not addressed to Republican supporters as the primary audience, is immediately suspicious to me as an argument that is being made in poor faith. What further need is there to investigate an unqualified candidate?”
When has any member of the Slaveocrat Party ever argued about anything in good faith? Never.
We need a Federal Marriage Amendment that bans all other kinds of marriage except gay marriage. I’m not kidding about this. Heterosexuality is a sin, a choice, and a form of sexual violence. It turns men into violently abusive monsters and women into screaming harpies who hate themselves each other, and the men they claim to be interested in. All those men would be better off with other men. All those women would be better off with other women. They want to thump Bibles on our heads, let us thump them back and even harder with Leviticus 24:19-21, the “eye for an eye” passages. It’s time to start attacking the root cause of homophobia.
posted by JohnInCA on
The logic is pretty simple: knowledge is better then speculation.
With President Trump, unless he is formally charged with something, all we have is speculation. And it’s simply not reasonable to treat the official acts of the president as illegitimate just because he might, at some future point, be found guilty. That standard would neuter the office of president.
With Kavanaugh, currently HRC, ACLU and everyone else is speculating on his record, based on proximity to events. But we can trivially replace speculation of what he did or didn’t do by simply waiting another month. Waiting until the rest of the papers are delivered and reviewed does not undermine anything.
So again: knowledge > speculation. With Trump, we can only speculate at his villainy, and guess when or if he will be formally charged. Treating him as guilty before that point is improper. With Kavanaugh, we can replace speculation with knowledge by waiting a month or two. There is no reason to rush ahead when we can have better information so soon.
posted by Jorge on
With President Trump, unless he is formally charged with something, all we have is speculation. And it’s simply not reasonable to treat the official acts of the president as illegitimate just because he might, at some future point, be found guilty. That standard would neuter the office of president….
Out of context, that sounds reasonable. Where the Democratic party et al concerned, it is hypocritical. The White House can release the documents to give “more time to review”, and all that will happen is that the Democratic party and their interest groups will do more research elsewhere and invent more “questions” and “documents” they want before the hearing should begin.
It reminds me of the story of the family that was being evicted by the landlord in November, and asked for a few weeks’ grace. Then a few weeks later they twisted his arm with the “But it’s almost Christmas!” argument. Everyone and their grandma knows that the Democratic party’s game is to delay the confirmation as long as possible so that it does not occur until after the next Congress is seated. This being the game, the Republican party is playing a counter-game: accountability. Every Senator has the right and responsibility to vote their conscience on the merits and on the process based on their own views and standards. Democrats have chosen a standard of delay, delay, delay, so that they can win the No vote by default. Republicans have heard their message loud and clear, and decided not to give the Democrats the extra votes they’d like. A decision has been reached. Those who live by the political sword can follow Corey Booker’s example and swallow it. And then they can vote No.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
It might be very illuminating to obtain Judge Kavanaugh’s White House documents, if any, pertaining to the 2004 multi-state anti-marriage amendment campaign. Kavanaugh was on staff 2000-2003, at the time when the campaign was being considered and formulated. I’d be curious to know if he advised that the state-level amendments were constitutional. Cf Obergefell.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
In Kavanaugh’s non-answer on same-sex marriage, many heard a troubling response