These recent articles take a stand against intersectionality orthodoxy.
32 Comments for “Pushing Back Against Intersectionality”
posted by JohnInCA on
Shall I take this to mean that Miller will no longer be posting about the intersectional grievances of white Republican gays?
posted by Matthew on
As in the ones who still get called anti-gay hate speech by Obama-loving black heterosexual gentiles, just as I did in Seattle? Not Savannah, not Shreveport, but SEATTLE?
posted by JohnInCA on
Possibly, but without an intersectional context, there’s no way to know.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
Shall I take this to mean that Miller will no longer be posting about the intersectional grievances of white Republican gays?
Not if you have any sense.
posted by Matthew on
I’ll take the words of gay white Republicans over heterosexuals of ANY race.
posted by Jorge on
Shall I take this to mean that Miller will no longer be posting about the intersectional grievances of white Republican gays?
Pope Benedict says he’s dying, and Gay News says nothing.
BAAAAAW!!!
“Today, no group in America feels comfortably dominant,” Chua writes.
Well EXCUSE ME for being the only cynic moderate left.
“There is something dark and vaguely cultish about this particular brand of politics. I’ve thought a lot about what exactly that is. I’ve pinned down four core features that make it so disturbing: dogmatism, groupthink, a crusader mentality, and anti-intellectualism.”
Sounds like a religion. But I like religion.
(Well, yes, but you like religion to be ephemeral, experiential, judgmental, and intellectual.)
“One way to define the difference between a regular belief and a sacred belief is that people who hold sacred beliefs think it is morally wrong for anyone to question those beliefs.”
…well enough said if you ask me.
“When I was part of groups like this, everyone was on exactly the same page about a suspiciously large range of issues. Internal disagreement was rare. The insular community served as an incubator of extreme, irrational views.”
I could tell so many horrible jokes with this one.
“Sadly, in this case their conscience has betrayed them. My conscience betrayed me. It was only when I finally gave myself permission to be selfish… that I eventually achieved the critical distance to rethink my political beliefs.”
Reading this comment unsettles me to my core, for I sometimes think I have had the same revelation about my religious beliefs. How do I know when to trust myself, and when to put something else first?
“Anti-intellectualism also comes out in full force on the anti-oppressive side of things. It manifests itself in the view that knowledge not just about what oppression, is like, but also knowledge about all the ethical questions pertaining to oppression is accessible only through personal experience.”
Hoo-boy, I can’t tell you how much I hate that when I see it.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
The crux of the problem — with respect to “intersectionality”, “tribalism”, “religious freedom” and the other faux-controversies ginned up by homocons — is that progressive/left/liberal/moderate gays and lesbians did not get any of the memos endlessly bouncing around the homocon echo chamber.
We did not get the memo that we are supposed to sit down, shut up, and respect government-sanctioned discrimination against us by conservative Christians.
We did not get the memo that we are supposed to accept that fact that our marriages are the only marriages that should be subject to government-sanctioned discrimination against us by conservative Christians.
We did not get the memo that the only religious belief that is worthy of express government protection through targeted legislation is religious opposition to same-sex marriage.
We did not get the memo that anything other than obeisance to conservative Christian culture post-Obergefell unmasks us as “poor winners” incapable of mercy and magnanimity toward those who fought every single advance toward “equal means equal” over the 50-year history of struggle since Stonewall, and now are determined to wall themselves off in a world where they can continue to discriminate against us without consequence.
We did not get the memo that an administration that has systematically reversed the gains of the last decade when and where it could do so through executive order and changes in regulations is “gay-supportive” and “moderate”.
We did not get the memo that we should “compromise” and “respect” a conservative Christian culture that has no scruples about trashing us as abominations, enemies of God, and Robspierre-like (or worse) authoritarians determined to destroy all that is good in America, paving the road to (in the Vice President’s words) “societal collapse”.
We did not get the memo that transsexuals should be shunned by gays and lesbians.
And we did not get the memo that our struggle for equal treatment under the law is inherently different (a priori, apparently) than similar struggles by other groups who are or have been engaged in such struggles during our lifetime.
I’ll tell you what I’ve learned in fifty years of political engagement: Conservatives always send “the memo”. Always.
I come from a generation that raised hell about civil rights and the war in Vietnam. We missed the memos the our conservative contemporaries (remember Young Americans for Freedom?) and conservative elders sent out then, too. If we had, and others involved in the struggles of the time had, we’d still be living in the 1950’s.
Thank God for missed memos.
posted by Jorge on
And we did not get the memo that our struggle for equal treatment under the law is inherently different (a priori, apparently) than similar struggles by other groups who are or have been engaged in such struggles during our lifetime.
I’ll tell you what I’ve learned in fifty years of political engagement: Conservatives always send “the memo”. Always.
“You had a rap singer here last night named Sister Souljah. I defend her right to express herself through music, but her comments before and after Los Angeles were filled with the kind of hatred that we do not honor today and tonight. Just listen to this, what she said. She told the Washington Post about a month ago, and I quote, ‘If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people? So you’re a gang member and you normally kill somebody? Why not kill a white person?’ Last year she said ‘You can’t call me or any black person anywhere in the world a racist. We don’t have the power to do to white people what white people have done to us. And even if we did, we don’t have that low down dirty nature. If there are any good white people I haven’t met them, where are they?’ Right here in this room. That’s where they are.
I know she is a young person but she has a big influence on a lot of people, and when people say that, if you took the words ‘white’ and ‘black’ and you reversed them, you might think David Duke was giving that speech.”
No.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
I don’t need you to tell me I’m wrong, Jorge. I have four grown kids and a husband more that willing to offer up that opinion.
But if your point was “You’re wrong.”, then the relevant question is, what am I wrong about, and why?
Maybe you have a coherent point to make, but how am I supposed to figure that out from an elliptical quote from someone else about Sister Souljah, who is a nutcase, followed by “No”?
So why don’t you tell me what I’m wrong about, and why?
posted by Matthew on
Your use of ableist hate speech like “n*tc*se” outs you as a bigot, and it’s right out of the Stalinist playbook.
We don’t need transcult-loving turncoats like you projecting their self-loathing bigotry onto us and enabling gay erasure. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who made eugenics look progressive, not gay conservatives. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who suggested we should be allies of anti-gay dictatorships, not gay conservatives. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who suggested we should celebrate child mutilation, not gay conservatives.
If you actually want to make the world a better place for gay people, you have to be a conservative. At this point, homosexuality and conservatism are mutually inclusive.
posted by David Bauer on
Matt
Conservatism has only offered anything nice for gay people recently. Even then, mostly in a select number of conservative parties with countries and districts with lots of socially liberal voters.
Most, if not all, of the people who work on LGBT rights within international relations are progressive. Certainly the main NGOs and activist’s.
posted by Matthew on
David,
The fact that you say el-jibbity proves you are no progressive.
posted by Matthew on
There wouldn’t have been a Harvey Milk if there hadn’t been a Barry Goldwater first.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
And your point is?
posted by Jorge on
You’re wrong.
posted by Matthew on
Like the entire Regressive Left on any given issue, Uncle Tom Scharbach has been wrong about everything for as long as he has been here, yet he never shuts up.
posted by Matthew on
“We did not get the memo that transsexuals should be shunned by gays and lesbians.”
Neither did Patricia Wright and her wife and son. They’re all dead now.
posted by Matthew on
“We did not get the memo that we are supposed to sit down, shut up, and respect government-sanctioned discrimination against us by conservative Christians.”
But point out when non-whites and non-Christians do it and then you become the bigot.
“We did not get the memo that we should “compromise” and “respect” a conservative Christian culture that has no scruples about trashing us as abominations, enemies of God, and Robspierre-like (or worse) authoritarians determined to destroy all that is good in America, paving the road to (in the Vice President’s words) “societal collapse”.”
But you gladly rolled out the welcome mat for homophobic Muslims who are just as white.
I suspect that Matthew is a troll or a Russian not.
posted by Matthew on
Nope. I’m for real. Considering all the years Russia was a Communist country — remember when liberals denied they were a threat? — and all the lingering nostalgia for Stalin, you expect me to believe the Russians would support a Republican? Any Republican?
posted by MR Bill on
Ga. senate passes anti GLBT adoption bill: and my representative, GA House Speaker David Ralston (who is under investigation for using his privileges as House Speaker to delay private legal cases, often for years…) has indicated it will pass… https://thegavoice.com/georgia-senate-committee-passes-anti-lgbtq-adoption-bill/
It seems to me that Steveie is selectively outraged over “intersectionality” and “tribalism “.
posted by Matthew on
It seems to me the Regressive Left is fond of projecting its antisemitism and homophobia on gay conservatives and libertarians smart enough to call them by their names.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
We don’t need transcult-loving turncoats like you projecting their self-loathing bigotry onto us and enabling gay erasure. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who made eugenics look progressive, not gay conservatives. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who suggested we should be allies of anti-gay dictatorships, not gay conservatives. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who suggested we should celebrate child mutilation, not gay conservatives.
Despite the loud panic from conservative Christians a decade-plus ago, straight men have not been forced to marry other men. Similarly, a decade from now, the homocon panic over forced cis mutilation will seem equally silly.
But nice spew.
posted by Matthew on
C*s is a slur, like sissy. You have outed yourself as being an anti-gay pro-transcultist.
The biggest anti-gay bigots are on the Regressive Left, just like the biggest anti-semites (and yes, anti-zionism IS anti-semitism any way you try to goysplain it).
posted by Matthew on
And by the way, only a homophobe calls heterosexuality “straight.”
posted by Tom Scharbach on
Uncle Tom Scharbach has been wrong about everything for as long as he has been here, yet he never shuts up.
The way to counter wrong ideas is to offer up right ideas, carefully reasoned and persuasively stated. Try it sometime.
posted by Matthew on
You have never done that in your life. You have only offered up po-mo fauxgressive word salad, and you have slowly outed yourself as a turncoat.
Trans is a choice. Gay isn’t. Anti-trans IS pro-gay.
32 Comments for “Pushing Back Against Intersectionality”
posted by JohnInCA on
Shall I take this to mean that Miller will no longer be posting about the intersectional grievances of white Republican gays?
posted by Matthew on
As in the ones who still get called anti-gay hate speech by Obama-loving black heterosexual gentiles, just as I did in Seattle? Not Savannah, not Shreveport, but SEATTLE?
posted by JohnInCA on
Possibly, but without an intersectional context, there’s no way to know.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
Shall I take this to mean that Miller will no longer be posting about the intersectional grievances of white Republican gays?
Not if you have any sense.
posted by Matthew on
I’ll take the words of gay white Republicans over heterosexuals of ANY race.
posted by Jorge on
Shall I take this to mean that Miller will no longer be posting about the intersectional grievances of white Republican gays?
Pope Benedict says he’s dying, and Gay News says nothing.
BAAAAAW!!!
“Today, no group in America feels comfortably dominant,” Chua writes.
Well EXCUSE ME for being the only cynic moderate left.
“There is something dark and vaguely cultish about this particular brand of politics. I’ve thought a lot about what exactly that is. I’ve pinned down four core features that make it so disturbing: dogmatism, groupthink, a crusader mentality, and anti-intellectualism.”
Sounds like a religion. But I like religion.
(Well, yes, but you like religion to be ephemeral, experiential, judgmental, and intellectual.)
“One way to define the difference between a regular belief and a sacred belief is that people who hold sacred beliefs think it is morally wrong for anyone to question those beliefs.”
…well enough said if you ask me.
“When I was part of groups like this, everyone was on exactly the same page about a suspiciously large range of issues. Internal disagreement was rare. The insular community served as an incubator of extreme, irrational views.”
I could tell so many horrible jokes with this one.
“Sadly, in this case their conscience has betrayed them. My conscience betrayed me. It was only when I finally gave myself permission to be selfish… that I eventually achieved the critical distance to rethink my political beliefs.”
Reading this comment unsettles me to my core, for I sometimes think I have had the same revelation about my religious beliefs. How do I know when to trust myself, and when to put something else first?
“Anti-intellectualism also comes out in full force on the anti-oppressive side of things. It manifests itself in the view that knowledge not just about what oppression, is like, but also knowledge about all the ethical questions pertaining to oppression is accessible only through personal experience.”
Hoo-boy, I can’t tell you how much I hate that when I see it.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
The crux of the problem — with respect to “intersectionality”, “tribalism”, “religious freedom” and the other faux-controversies ginned up by homocons — is that progressive/left/liberal/moderate gays and lesbians did not get any of the memos endlessly bouncing around the homocon echo chamber.
We did not get the memo that we are supposed to sit down, shut up, and respect government-sanctioned discrimination against us by conservative Christians.
We did not get the memo that we are supposed to accept that fact that our marriages are the only marriages that should be subject to government-sanctioned discrimination against us by conservative Christians.
We did not get the memo that the only religious belief that is worthy of express government protection through targeted legislation is religious opposition to same-sex marriage.
We did not get the memo that anything other than obeisance to conservative Christian culture post-Obergefell unmasks us as “poor winners” incapable of mercy and magnanimity toward those who fought every single advance toward “equal means equal” over the 50-year history of struggle since Stonewall, and now are determined to wall themselves off in a world where they can continue to discriminate against us without consequence.
We did not get the memo that an administration that has systematically reversed the gains of the last decade when and where it could do so through executive order and changes in regulations is “gay-supportive” and “moderate”.
We did not get the memo that we should “compromise” and “respect” a conservative Christian culture that has no scruples about trashing us as abominations, enemies of God, and Robspierre-like (or worse) authoritarians determined to destroy all that is good in America, paving the road to (in the Vice President’s words) “societal collapse”.
We did not get the memo that transsexuals should be shunned by gays and lesbians.
And we did not get the memo that our struggle for equal treatment under the law is inherently different (a priori, apparently) than similar struggles by other groups who are or have been engaged in such struggles during our lifetime.
I’ll tell you what I’ve learned in fifty years of political engagement: Conservatives always send “the memo”. Always.
I come from a generation that raised hell about civil rights and the war in Vietnam. We missed the memos the our conservative contemporaries (remember Young Americans for Freedom?) and conservative elders sent out then, too. If we had, and others involved in the struggles of the time had, we’d still be living in the 1950’s.
Thank God for missed memos.
posted by Jorge on
And we did not get the memo that our struggle for equal treatment under the law is inherently different (a priori, apparently) than similar struggles by other groups who are or have been engaged in such struggles during our lifetime.
I’ll tell you what I’ve learned in fifty years of political engagement: Conservatives always send “the memo”. Always.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtSifopiL1g
“You had a rap singer here last night named Sister Souljah. I defend her right to express herself through music, but her comments before and after Los Angeles were filled with the kind of hatred that we do not honor today and tonight. Just listen to this, what she said. She told the Washington Post about a month ago, and I quote, ‘If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people? So you’re a gang member and you normally kill somebody? Why not kill a white person?’ Last year she said ‘You can’t call me or any black person anywhere in the world a racist. We don’t have the power to do to white people what white people have done to us. And even if we did, we don’t have that low down dirty nature. If there are any good white people I haven’t met them, where are they?’ Right here in this room. That’s where they are.
I know she is a young person but she has a big influence on a lot of people, and when people say that, if you took the words ‘white’ and ‘black’ and you reversed them, you might think David Duke was giving that speech.”
No.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
I don’t need you to tell me I’m wrong, Jorge. I have four grown kids and a husband more that willing to offer up that opinion.
But if your point was “You’re wrong.”, then the relevant question is, what am I wrong about, and why?
Maybe you have a coherent point to make, but how am I supposed to figure that out from an elliptical quote from someone else about Sister Souljah, who is a nutcase, followed by “No”?
So why don’t you tell me what I’m wrong about, and why?
posted by Matthew on
Your use of ableist hate speech like “n*tc*se” outs you as a bigot, and it’s right out of the Stalinist playbook.
We don’t need transcult-loving turncoats like you projecting their self-loathing bigotry onto us and enabling gay erasure. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who made eugenics look progressive, not gay conservatives. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who suggested we should be allies of anti-gay dictatorships, not gay conservatives. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who suggested we should celebrate child mutilation, not gay conservatives.
If you actually want to make the world a better place for gay people, you have to be a conservative. At this point, homosexuality and conservatism are mutually inclusive.
posted by David Bauer on
Matt
Conservatism has only offered anything nice for gay people recently. Even then, mostly in a select number of conservative parties with countries and districts with lots of socially liberal voters.
Most, if not all, of the people who work on LGBT rights within international relations are progressive. Certainly the main NGOs and activist’s.
posted by Matthew on
David,
The fact that you say el-jibbity proves you are no progressive.
posted by Matthew on
There wouldn’t have been a Harvey Milk if there hadn’t been a Barry Goldwater first.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
And your point is?
posted by Jorge on
You’re wrong.
posted by Matthew on
Like the entire Regressive Left on any given issue, Uncle Tom Scharbach has been wrong about everything for as long as he has been here, yet he never shuts up.
posted by Matthew on
“We did not get the memo that transsexuals should be shunned by gays and lesbians.”
Neither did Patricia Wright and her wife and son. They’re all dead now.
posted by Matthew on
“We did not get the memo that we are supposed to sit down, shut up, and respect government-sanctioned discrimination against us by conservative Christians.”
But point out when non-whites and non-Christians do it and then you become the bigot.
“We did not get the memo that we should “compromise” and “respect” a conservative Christian culture that has no scruples about trashing us as abominations, enemies of God, and Robspierre-like (or worse) authoritarians determined to destroy all that is good in America, paving the road to (in the Vice President’s words) “societal collapse”.”
But you gladly rolled out the welcome mat for homophobic Muslims who are just as white.
posted by David Bauer on
I suspect that Matthew is a troll or a Russian not.
posted by Matthew on
Nope. I’m for real. Considering all the years Russia was a Communist country — remember when liberals denied they were a threat? — and all the lingering nostalgia for Stalin, you expect me to believe the Russians would support a Republican? Any Republican?
posted by MR Bill on
Ga. senate passes anti GLBT adoption bill: and my representative, GA House Speaker David Ralston (who is under investigation for using his privileges as House Speaker to delay private legal cases, often for years…) has indicated it will pass… https://thegavoice.com/georgia-senate-committee-passes-anti-lgbtq-adoption-bill/
posted by MR Bill on
Ralston modifies his position: “Republican House Speaker David Ralston told WABE Radio that he was interested in “growing economic opportunity for every part of Georgia” and that legislation such as “religious liberties” bills didn’t fit into that plan.” https://www.ajc.com/news/local/georgia-senate-advances-adoption-bill-called-anti-lgbt/he6QHY1s28RwDPXXJLi3BI/
posted by Matthew on
Two can play at this game.
What if a gay business owner only wanted to serve gay people?
posted by David Bauler on
It seems to me that Steveie is selectively outraged over “intersectionality” and “tribalism “.
posted by Matthew on
It seems to me the Regressive Left is fond of projecting its antisemitism and homophobia on gay conservatives and libertarians smart enough to call them by their names.
posted by Tom Scharbach on
We don’t need transcult-loving turncoats like you projecting their self-loathing bigotry onto us and enabling gay erasure. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who made eugenics look progressive, not gay conservatives. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who suggested we should be allies of anti-gay dictatorships, not gay conservatives. The Regressive Leftists are the ones who suggested we should celebrate child mutilation, not gay conservatives.
Despite the loud panic from conservative Christians a decade-plus ago, straight men have not been forced to marry other men. Similarly, a decade from now, the homocon panic over forced cis mutilation will seem equally silly.
But nice spew.
posted by Matthew on
C*s is a slur, like sissy. You have outed yourself as being an anti-gay pro-transcultist.
The biggest anti-gay bigots are on the Regressive Left, just like the biggest anti-semites (and yes, anti-zionism IS anti-semitism any way you try to goysplain it).
posted by Matthew on
And by the way, only a homophobe calls heterosexuality “straight.”
posted by Tom Scharbach on
Uncle Tom Scharbach has been wrong about everything for as long as he has been here, yet he never shuts up.
The way to counter wrong ideas is to offer up right ideas, carefully reasoned and persuasively stated. Try it sometime.
posted by Matthew on
You have never done that in your life. You have only offered up po-mo fauxgressive word salad, and you have slowly outed yourself as a turncoat.
Trans is a choice. Gay isn’t. Anti-trans IS pro-gay.
posted by MR Bill on
More intersectionaliy: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-disney-georgia-anti-gay-20160323-story.html
posted by Matthew on
That rings hollow coming from Disney when they were a generation behind other studios in including openly gay characters.