On her world tour, adored gay icon Madonna shows a video that juxtaposes images equating John McCain with Adolf Hitler and Robert Mugabe, while she compares Obama to John Lennon, Al Gore and Gandhi. What's worse, so many of her fans, including one must suppose her legions of gay fans, robotically clap their hands and hoot their approval.
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posted by Good Article on
Question Mark? It is good to see you are finally getting intellectual with your postings.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Stephen, while it’s unfair for Madonna to equate McCain-the-Maverick with Hitler, it’s something that any non-liberal gay GOPer can appreciate because the gayLeft does that little manuever on us all the time… while declaring that WE’RE the intolerant, inflexible ones shilling for a political party that loathes us -no less, with a str8 face and some highty-horse conviction.
Now, the comparisons to BarryO make some sense. Lennon was a drug addicted, philandering, narcisstic lump who destroyed his creative talent in a downward spiral of self-immolation with songs like “Walking on Thin Ice” and “Dear John”… the latter had lyrics as memorable and self-absorbed as this: “Dear John, don’t be hard on yourself. Give yourself a break. Life wasn’t meant to be run. The race is over, you’ve won.” YIKES! (link for Pat at http://oldies.about.com/od/oldieshistory/f/lastlennonsong.htm)
Of course, BarryO makes that kind of self-absorbtion look lame and tame by comparison. And BarryO did do the drug thing when he had the opportunities. Philandering may or may not have happened but if he gets a stay in the White House, I’m betting he’ll succumb to the “DemocratSpirit of Presidents Past” and screw anything but his wife like a banshee (SlickWilly, JFK etc all the way back to TommieJefferson thought it was their right as President).
On the BarryO comparison to the liberal’s great uber peacenik Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi also makes sense. Gandhi was an appeaser who horribly misjudged world leaders, populations and their warlike intentions. Afterall, Gandhi did opine before WW2 that the German people would never allow Hitler to take power. When Hitler did, he said the German people would never let him stay in power. Hitler did and went on to march through Czech, Polish, French, Russian, Baltic and Black Sea countries like a holocaust. (see Nick Baker’s sensational book, “Human Smoke”)
Of course, BarryO is well known as the ultimate “If We Just Talk With Our Enemies” proponent of unilateral diplomatic forays based on seriously flawed and innocently or immature misjudgements of intentions. And he’d prefer to appease “evil” in the world by finding it first in ourselves and then not confronting it in our enemies in the world (see Saddleback transcript before BarryO’s people pull those off the Net too, like Rev Wright’s vicious comments).
And of course, BarryO has more room left in his suit than even the ultimate PoliticalEmptySuit, AlGore. More hot air to fill a room than AlGore at an AlGoreIsGreat convention. And an unchecked egocentric elitist impulse that makes AlGore look like a common man while using a private GulfStream to jet about the world and leave a carbon footprint larger than his house in Nashville. (http://og-blogdotcom.blogspot.com/2008/06/public-records-show-al-gores-home-uses.html) or (http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDesign/archives/2007/02/gores_carbon_fo.html)
So, while Madonna’s comparisons of McCain-the-Maverick to Hitler should find some sympathy here with beleagured moderate or real independent and GOP gays, her comparisons to BarryO make a lot of sense.
Who knew that a whackey liberal, narcisstic, self-absorbed huckster like Madonna would find something to appeal to her in BarryO?
Yeah, who’d have thunk, eh?
posted by Richard II on
Liberals often equate conservatives with fascists, just as Conservatives often equate liberals with Communists or Socialist.
posted by Richard J. Rosendall on
Passing over MM’s baseless and arbitrary “I’m betting” comment, I never understood Madonna’s appeal in the first place; politically she makes Streisand look almost intelligent by comparison.
I agree with Richard II, and call a pox on both the silly leftists and the silly rightists–though I think the far right is more of a threat simply because they have more power and influence. Anyway, the fact that gays (or certain gays) can be as brainless as their straight counterparts is sadly not a big revelation. Remember the gay leftists in Berkeley a few years back marching in support of Palestinians who then said they didn’t have a right to live? Ah, solidarity!
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Richard2 must be digging back in the early 90’s to find credible political conservative who would label liberals as communists or socialists (which are two different things except to a gayDemocrat hiding under sheepskin).
Today, if a credible political conservative like Bush or Cheney called uberLefties BarryO or NancyP or BigLyingMurtha a “communist or socialist” they’d be rightly laughed off the stage. OK, Hannity and Limbaugh don’t count anymore than the Left’s CindyZeroSheehan or AlFranken –all four do that stuff for entertainment value.
It’s far more likely that the “silly leftists” –in fact gayLeftists, no less– will try to compare any gaybrethern who doesn’t toe the line to Nazis or, in many cases at MyDD, BlogActive, or the DailyKos, to Jews selling out to the Nazis. McCain and Hitler is a comparison most gayModerate and gayGOPers have heard at least once before… and even here, on IGF no less.
Yeah, there go those “silly leftists”.
As for the feigned be-puzzlement of some here who haven’t a clue why gayLefties LOVE and ADORE Madonna, I’d advise they drop the pretense ’cause it ain’t foolin’ no one.
Gays fix to Madonna like they did Cher. Both were outrageous on stage and shared over-the-top dramatic, boundary pushing elements in their performances. Both glamorized sex and sexuality in mainstream culture -which usually makes some gays feel more “normal”- and used sexuality to great effect in their acts, in their lives, in their publicity and public personae. Madonna speaks to the gay heart and impulses about those things that animate some gays… of course, none of the gays who post here (wink, wink, feigned bepuzzlement all around).
Then, there’s the shared political values evident in Madonna’s narcisstic take on American society and her anti-religion, anti-Christianist themes that we all know gayLefties love to cheer on.
But most of all, I think gays love and adore Madonna because -at the end of the day- her message is one that resonates with many gays: it’s all about her… 24×7… self-absorption run rampant.
Exactly as her estranged brother contends in a new book on the not-so-unique gay culture creature reviewed here http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2008/07/brothers-memoir.html
Any self-respecting gay must be in serious denial to even momentarily feign he/she/it doesn’t know what animates gays to adore Madonna.
That, or they’re just being “silly leftists” once again.
posted by Richard II on
The point, if gay partisans are willing to deal with it, is that Americans (irrespective of race, color, religion ethnicty, sex, class, ability or sexuality) are more then capable of being incredibly partissan, outragous and mean spirited when it comes to politics.
Gay Republicans are certainly capable of playing a similarly mean and counterproductive tune against anyone who they deem to be too liberal or a Democrat. Likewise. gay Democrats can get reeally malicious against anyone who they feel is too conservative.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Richard2 writes: “The point, if gay partisans are willing to deal with it, is that Americans (irrespective of race, color, religion ethnicty, sex, class, ability or sexuality) are more then (sic)capable of being incredibly partissan, outragous and mean spirited when it comes to politics.”
Well, Richard2, that may be an opinion of yours as a gaypartisan but it is hardly a convincing one.
What you FIRST said was that “Liberals often equate conservatives with fascists, just as Conservatives often equate liberals with Communists or Socialist”.
Where’s the difference, you ask?
Here: first, Americans are generally apathetic about politics (and with good reason, I might add)… most don’t vote in elections except every 4 yrs and then only when motivated or urged beyond the call to stay on the couch; second, more Americans identify as unaligned or non-partisan than they do affirming one Party over another; three, if Americans were as highly partisan and combative and mean as you contend, we ought to have lots of parties catering to every whim (including bigamists who want serial marriages and skinheads who want us dead)… instead, we have just two major parties and 2-3 fringe, impotent parties who make sounds like they’re serious every 4 years.
So, what was that you were saying about “dealing with your point”? When we do, you go changing the tune and spinning off into other silliness about as quickly as Michele Obama’s smile disappeared from her face when Hillary ascended the stage last night.
It remains true that gayLefties are more inclined to clap their hands robotically to Madonna’s nonsense comparison of McCain to Hitler –just like many gayLefties here on IGF have used that comparison to deride gayGOPers and others.
There have been 7 threads at IGF so far this year that have raised the question of whether or not gayLefts and gayDemocrats tend to be more intolerant, more inflexible, more certain of a “lock” on veracity than the whacked out fundamentalistRighties who incur their spitting wrath (please see nearly any substantive post by PriyaLynn or any garden-variety gayLeftie here who does the “Christianist” schtick).
You may try to turn that into an indictment of the partisan rancor YOU think is epidemic in the body politic, but you’d be wrong again.
Someday take a second out and go read a little on the Jefferson-Adams, Jefferson-Burr, Jefferson-Hamilton, Jefferson-Washington use of mainstream newspapers to smear each other. The primary culprit? Jefferson. Jefferson’s tool was a guy named James Cheetham and the “American Citizen” was his venue for the highly partisan, violently intolerant, truth-raping smearfest of Jefferson’s time… who, as it happens, is the Father of the Modern Democrat(ic) Party.
Fancy that, eh? Jefferson was all about the business of the politics of personal destruction and using the press before “partisanship” rose to the level of rancor YOU THINK unique and evident in today’s world.
Eric Burns’ seminal book on this period of journalism offers “It does not seem to make sense. It is almost incomprehensible. Yet the golden age of America’s founding was the gutter age of American journalism. The era that produced such works as the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Federalist Papers also produced newspapers that lied, slandered and incited violence.”
And in Jefferson’s case, the target was usually a Federalist who wanted nothing more than to see America’s White House returned to the people.
Your use of bland assertion that both sides do “it” to each other is equally without illumination. The point of the post here was that Madonna’s gay robots will applaud her comparison of McCain to Hitler and Obama to Lennon because they are robotically liberal and expected to toe the line for the gayDemocrat masta.
You can try to make it something else, but that’s what the point is… if, gayDemocrats hiding under the sheeps’ skin of “independent” can deal with it.
posted by Jorge on
I fail to see how what Madonna said is “liberal.” Frankly it’s just idiotic.
She’s done a lot of stupid things in her career, but she’s usually been smart enough not to jump off the political deep end.
posted by Richard II on
I also really do not see why we should, ‘love’ a person for being liberal or conservatives. I also wonder if this is less am example of some celebrity being liberal and more of them being a moron.
Many celebrities like to name drop liberal or consrevative slogans or chants to help sell something, or make them seem edgy or controversial.
posted by Richard II on
Back on the California case;
I have several thoughts about better ways to deal with the case that respect the rights of the same-sex couple and the religious liberties of the doctor…
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Richard2 excuses Madonna’s crassly unAmerican smearfest by offering moral relativisms: “Many celebrities like to name drop liberal or consrevative (sic) slogans or chants to help sell something, or make them seem edgy or controversial.”
Actually, Richard2, you missed the entire point of the article –again, sigh. And you wonder why some here think you’re really just a gayDemocrat in hiding behind the “independent” label?
Not only are the gaysLeft robots in Madonna’s audience inclined to clap on command to the uberLeft lovefest of BarryO, they don’t even know they’re being used by a slick huckster –and I don’t mean BarryO this time.
It’s the worshipful, near-religious experience of these gayLeft robots marching to the farLeft’s liberal tune that makes it an amazing moment –not because Madonna finds a kindred soul in a fellow huckster and self-interested egomaniac like BarryO.
Your moral relativisms match King Richard’s attempted dismissal by feigning “I never understood the appeal of Madonna” to gayLefties.
But maybe there are cracks in the wall coming? Some progressive gay leaders are finally saying enough with the promises; do something for us instead of just whsipering sweet nothings in our ears.
Paul Colichman, head of the Advocate and a gay media leader in his own right, says
?If we always vote for the lesser of two evils, if we accept their crumbs and platitudes, if we write checks to candidates who don?t stand up for us, aren?t we being self-destructive??
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08252008/gossip/pagesix/obama_loses_gay_media_king_125923.htm
It’s gotta hurt when prominent gay leaders start wondering if the supposed-preferred candidate is worthy of gay support.
posted by bryanj on
my gosh, are you guys even gay? i guess if you pretend to hate every last bit of gay culture, maybe the straights will let you eat at their table.
take a breath. this is madonna. she tries to create controversy to sell albums/tickets. for future reference, here’s some more info on gay icons, so you can keep your panties from getting in a bunch next time one of them makes the news:
cher has had plastic surgery.
tina is black.
i can’t imagine being at a party with you guys. i consider myself conservative, not BORING.
posted by Richard II on
MM seems hellbent on ‘proving’ that I am not an Independnet. In his twisted world, their are Republicans like him who deerve to rule the world without question and then their are evil, twisted and ungoldy, pinko Democrats.
Independents do not exist in his world, unless they worship the ground that Republicans walk on.
It is this type of partisan spin, hate and lies such as this that have helped to erode the level of civility and debate in this nation, let alone Wash DC.
posted by Ricahrd II on
You said: Richard2 excuses Madonna’s crassly unAmerican smearfest
(1) I was not providing any sort of excuse for anyone’s behavior. I was pointing out a basic fact; a lot of celebrities say and do stupid things. I doubt that proves liberals or conservatives are as mean or stupid as they are.
More likely then not it is being done, for better or for the worse, to help the celebrity craft a financially benifical image for her or himself.
(2) Having only seen a few scattered news reports on it, I have to wonder how it could be seen as unAmerica. (3) I have never had much use for moral relativism.
I really doubt that all or most people in the audience could be called ‘robots’ or ‘gay left’. I do not think that scientests have managed to build THAT hi-tech of a robot and the fact that they have a really low opinion of the President puts them in the same boat as most Americans.
Sadly, celebrities do odd, obnixious or stupid things to make money. Politicans also do so to make money or win votes.
If we want to change the political tone or raise the level of civility in the nation, well that requires a higher level of maturity then I have thus far seen among most of the gay Democrats and Republicans here.
Not only are the gaysLeft robots in Madonna’s audience inclined to clap on command to the uberLeft lovefest of BarryO, they don’t even know they’re being used by a slick huckster –and I don’t mean BarryO this time.
It’s the worshipful, near-religious experience of these gayLeft robots marching to the farLeft’s liberal tune that makes it an amazing moment –not because Madonna finds a kindred soul in a fellow huckster and self-interested egomaniac like BarryO.
Your moral relativisms match King Richard’s attempted dismissal by feigning “I never understood the appeal of Madonna” to gayLefties.
But maybe there are cracks in the wall coming? Some progressive gay leaders are finally saying enough with the promises; do something for us instead of just whsipering sweet nothings in our ears.
Paul Colichman, head of the Advocate and a gay media leader in his own right, says
?If we always vote for the lesser of two evils, if we accept their crumbs and platitudes, if we write checks to candidates who don?t stand up for us, aren?t we being self-destructive??
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08252008/gossip/pagesix/obama_loses_gay_media_king_125923.htm
It’s gotta hurt when prominent gay leaders start wondering if the supposed-preferred candidate is worthy of gay support.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Richard2 protests a bit too much: “MM seems hellbent on ‘proving’ that I am not an Independnet (sic). In his twisted world, their (sic) are Republicans like him who deerve (sic) to rule the world without question and then their (sic) are evil, twisted and ungoldy (sic), pinko Democrats.”
Not at all, Richard2.
You’ve made it clear that you think your claim to being a political independent is beyond question, not I. You think it’s ok to walk, talk and whine like a gayDemocrat as long as you don’t have to wear the label of gayDemocrat. You’ve taken a bevy of positions on issues here and those positions, except for being pro-gun rights, are in lockstep with the gayDemocrat agenda.
Hey, here’s a deal: you stop whining about “gay partisans” like you do in nearly every thread to discount their opinions and I won’t question your “politically unaligned” status anymore. Fair enough or are you just about “the need to whine”?
posted by Michigan-Matt on
By the way Richard2, facts may not matter to you but your assertions are just plain ol’ wrong –again, sigh.
You say “I was not providing any sort of excuse for anyone’s behavior”… sure you were when you opined that others do it across political and partisan labels, so it’s ok for Madonna to smear McCain.
You say “Having only seen a few scattered news reports on it, I have to wonder how it could be seen as unAmerica”… naturally for you, unless it’s widely broadcast on the liberally-biased MSM, you can’t imagine the claim to be true… unAmerican Richard2 is when Madonna compares McCain to Hitler –and it’s most uncivil for you to dismiss it as ok because it’s just business and then whine about how uncivil America has become.
You say “…they have a really low opinion of the President puts them in the same boat as most Americans”… um, Richard2, you’re showing your gayDemocrat HateBushDerangement side again… the comparison was between McCain (not Prez yet) and Hitler, not the usual gayDemocrat Bush and Hitler comparison.
I think you’ve been laying out in those gaydemocrat trenches too long when you mistake any comparison of any GOPer with Hitler to a smear of Bush.
What was that about not being a gayDemocrat, again? Your slip is showing dearie.
posted by Richard II on
MM demonstates a commitment to a rather odd personal motto; worship the ground that I walk on, always agree with me and vote for my candidates. Failure to do this and you must; hate American, hate God, hate freedom and hate everything good, decent and pure.
In his world, Independents do not exist, unless they worship Republicans. In his world, some one who looks at the facts and points out the challenges and flaws in both major parties must be a ‘gayleft’ Democrat partisan shrill.
This seems to be his motto, his mantra that he keeps repeating over and over again. Like some sort of grade school child or teenage drama queen he really feels that the world revolves around him.
The truth, is that I am an Independent and have been for a number of years. I have some brief flings with both major parties and several minor ones. Yet, as I get older (and a lady never tells her age) and have had several successful private and public sector careers, the parties seem to have less appeal to me. Let us looka at all my beliefs, that have gotten me dirty looks from many a Democrat;
(1) I believe that the 2nd Amendment protects both a collective and individual right.
(2) I believe in prayer in school, reciting the pledge allegiance, keeping religious icons on public land and faith based public-private initiatives.
(3) I believe in voting righst and election law reform, which tends to get my dirty looks from Democrats and Republicans who enjoy their own little electoral cartel.
Celebrities and public figures on the political left and right have been known to say stupid, mean, obnixious or crude things. They are, mostly, doing it for money, career adancement, and power. If we want to improve the tone of civics and debate in this nation, we have to be willing to address these three issues.
Otherwise, Republicans get upset when someone smears Mcain, but are pefectly happy when the person getting smeared is a Democrat or an Independent.
I read several American and Foreign progressive and conservative news magazines, along with public radio and tv.
I reckon that I get more news and information from a wider range of people and viewpoints then you do.
Both the President and Congress have a pretty low approval rating. It gets back to the partisan polarization in this nation, the lack of civil and intelligent debate and discussion and the lack of respect for citizen’s political rights.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Richard2, I guess the above indicates you want to continue to whine and play the victim –“oh, pity the poor victim… he’s gay and he’s misunderstood”.
Cool. You got it all to yourself, Richard2.
You say “(I demand that folks) worship the ground that I walk on, always agree with me and vote for my candidates”. WRONG, Richard2 -again, sigh. I’ve been saying all along that it’s the inflexible, intolerant gayLeft leadership of our community that doesn’t tolerate dissent from the “1 true creed” and we’ve now had 7 threads in the last 4 months about that very issue… the gayLeft’s and gayDemocrats’ intolerance toward those in our community who don’t shuffle to the Masta’s beat. Despite what lies you might like to project, it isn’t about me –it’s about intolerance and, especially from guys like you who fail to play fair and hide like a gayDemocrat wolf under the sheepskin of a supposedly gay “independent”. Intellectual dishonesty is your province, Richard2; not mine.
You say: “Failure to do this and you must; hate American (sic), hate God, hate freedom and hate everything good, decent and pure” WRONG –again, sigh. I’ve made it very clear that I think there are times when uncivil speech is antithetical to our Nation’s greatest value: free speech honestly engaged. You’ve been pretty uncivil of late and generally dishonest and mostly unwilling to admit such when called on it. You’ve supported the uncivil speech of Madonna in her comparison of McCain to Hitler. Then you’ve called for civility out of the other side of mouth in a nanosecond. Duplicity or just stupidity; it ain’t good, Richard2.
I don’t think you or anyone else here need adopt my personal goals as a gay partnered, father. I think there are elements in our community and culture that erode our strongest talents and I’m not against pointing those out… you may want to be able to marry your household pet, you may want to be able to have unfettered access to porn at the local library, you may want to appease evil in the world and just get everyone to just love us, but those aren’t my goals, Richard2.
I accept dissent and embrace it –as guys like Charles Wilson and RichardRosendall can well tell you. Debate isn’t a four-lettered word in our household and neither is conviction. You may see conviction as an evil but then you’re content to rationalize Madonna’s hatespeech as good for your Party… even if you don’t seem to know who is President right now.
You say: “In (my) world, Independents do not exist, unless they worship Republicans.” WRONG -again, sigh. In my world, Richard2, true independents are why my Party will nominate a maverick who often bolts from the GOP and seeks common ground with his political adversaries –and even “friends” like attackDawg JoeyBiden. Independents, true independents Richard2 (not like you just using the label for political cover) are the core voters who will win the election for McCain-the-Maverick. Not base GOP voters. Not gays. Not veterans. Not the religiousRight. Not conservatives. Not military personnel who are polling 97% in favor of McCain over the Appeaser-in-Chief BarryO.
Real, true independents put McCain where he is today, Richard2. Not guys like you who practice the artifice of being an independent and then pull the lever for Democrats time and time again. Independents are why the White House will remain GOP in 2008. I love Independents! They’re just a tad harder to motivate to turnout and vote… but McCain’s getting the lion’s share of every poll’s independent segment. I hate ’em? Utter, flat out nonsense.
You declare of yourself one: “who looks at the facts and points out the challenges and flaws in both major parties”. WRONG -again, sigh. If only you would! Most of your posts are bland misstatements of other people’s thoughts and I dare say you would be hard pressed to point to a single instance in all your postings when you’ve expressed an original idea, Richard2. One original idea of yours? It doesn’t exist.
What does that say about you and your contribution to the debate here? I welcome your free expression, but that doesn’t mean an ill-formed opinion by you should be treated like a golden calf.
You say: “If we want to improve the tone of civics and debate in this nation, we have to be willing to address these three issues.” We have to address the issues of school prayer, gun rights and electoral reform? Are you bloody serious?? Now who’s got the Bonaparte complex Richard2 and is trying to instill his version of reality on America? Those three issues? Good God, they aren’t even part of the natl debate at this point –let alone hold so much sway with the body politic that to address them will suddenly, miraculously transform the American marketplace of ideas into some august, Roman forum of good civics.
You have got to be kidding? Do you even think before you type?
You claim: “I read several American and Foreign (sic) progressive and conservative news magazines, along with public radio and tv. I reckon that I get more news and information from a wider range of people and viewpoints then (sic) you do.” WRONG -again, sigh. First, there is so much fake pomposity in those lines I don’t know where to begin… but, let’s give you your claim as being true for a second. Tell us why, Richard2, with all those great pearls of wisdom you can continue to come up with lame, bland “some of my friends say “A” and some of my friends say “B”; I’m sticking with my friends” nonsense that passes as commentary by you? Like this commonality that nearly defines blandness and has zero utility “Liberals often equate conservatives with fascists, just as Conservatives often equate liberals with Communists or Socialist.”
No folks, that’s it. There’s nothing more to butress that incredibly non-original “insight” parading as an opinion. That’s you, Richard2; unfortunately at your best. And if you keep listening to public radio, my hunch is your brainpower won’t improve. Shut off the radio and think for yourself, Richard2. Just once, think for yourself and don’t listen to public radio’s blatantly liberal biased “news” reports. Just once. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, eh?
You say: “Both the President and Congress have a pretty low approval rating. It gets back to the partisan polarization in this nation”. No, Richard2, it is not because of polarization or lobbyists or money in politics… Americans, in poll after poll, say they are feed up with Washington because little gets accomplished and real, bridge-building, bipartisan leadership is in short supply. No poll has ever found a high favorable rating for Congress since Gallup or Roper began tracking it in 1955 and 1961. Americans don’t like Congress (but usually they love THEIR congressman) because it’s a politically corrupting institution. Polarization comes from the ascent of political parties and the exercise of party discipline, Richard2. At least try to get your political science and governance concepts down pat… I’d suggest you add a couple of polisci journals to your nightstand because you clearly don’t comprehend politics, governance or how our system operates.
You think partisan mudslinging is a recent trend. I’ve tried to get you look beyond your stilted reading pile and learn a bit more about the preeminent time of partisan mudslinging –the time of our Founding Fathers– but it’s clear with all that other weighty, intellectual readings you haven’t had the time.
Those here who claim that civility is at its lowest are simply ignorant of our Nation’s history. And just because YOU choose to continue the mistaken belief and hold a silly opinion, doesn’t make it so, Richard2.
BTW, your slip is still showing, dearie. You’re a solid gayDemocrat using the independent label to gain some intellectural neutrality in these discussions and that’s both dishonest and shallow.
Good thing you’ve chosen to ignore the basic civil standard of apologizing when you’re wrong, Richard2. Like your mistake in inserting Bush into Madonna’s McCain-Hitler comparison. If you did apologize, you’d never have room to discuss civilly the great issues of the day.
Can we get back to whether or not gay robots are in Madonna’s audience feverishly clapping her acclaim when she’s crassly unpatriotic and appearing to be AllThingsLiberallyConsidered?
At least she didn’t do the DixieDitzyChick thing. I guess that’s worth something, eh?
posted by Jorge on
my gosh, are you guys even gay? i guess if you pretend to hate every last bit of gay culture, maybe the straights will let you eat at their table.
I’m afraid I don’t get what’s so funny about calling Madonna’s silly little stunt gay. If that makes me “boring,” then I’ll wear that badge with PRIDE. Don’t presume to call me or anyone else here less of a person, less of a gay person, because of it.
posted by Richard II on
MM, you could not ‘victimize’ me if you tried. I have dealt with your type of people before and many times in my life.
If you want to continue to downgrade the tone of this debate, I suppose, sign, that is your choice. That seems to be all that you are really good at.
Yet, I have better (career, family, faith) things to do with my life then entertain the IGF’s own troll bully. Your are a fraud. I man without a moral compass or notions of decency. I shudder to thing what evils you teach your children.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Richard2, I didn’t say I was victimizing you –yet again, you continue this pattern of taking whatever criticism you justly deserve and trying to make it sound like a personal attack.
Nobody, lest I, is victimizing you Richard2. You’re the guy who wants to project the image of a victim and make all gays the victim of society’s ill will where none exists.
Again, the issue here was about how Madonna is allowed to use distorted comparisons of McCain to Hitler; you thought it was Bush to Hitler and you’re flat out unable to admit your errors in this regard.
Moreover, like most gayDemocrats, you are easy and willing to countenance such comparisons and even excuse them –as you do above– because for you they hold truth and resonate with your character.
We’ve had 16 years of the Clinton’s politics of personal destruction –and now the DailyKos ObamAcoyltes are doing it to Gov Palin– and you’re content to let it continue without pause.
I think it’s wrong. I think it’s bad for the body politic. And while you talk about restoring civil discourse to the public square, you don’t really mean it anymore than when you say you’re an independent –falsehoods all around.
But go ahead, Richard2, make yourself out to be some poor, besotted victim. Then go turn up the volume and listen to Madonna because, for you, she’s the latest liberal godess to take on McCain and those evil GOPers.
And, as you probably will, take a moment to wonder when that MikeyMoore documentary about Cheney’s War Crimes Trial is going to finished… another equally disgusting opportunity for your fellow gayDemocrats to cheer on the politics of personal destruction.