James Kirchick, writing in The Advocate, puts forth the best gay case for McCain.
The upshot: McCain is not a homophobe and at a gut level he's repelled by the intolerance of the religious right. But he's no supporter of gay legal equality, either. While the situation for gay Americans would continue to improve under a President McCain, progress would not be driven from the White House.
If you have reason to believe that a President Obama would allow Iraq to become an Al-Qaeda base, strangle free trade, hike taxes up the gazoo for anyone earning over $31,850 (that's just by letting the Bush tax cuts expire) while allowing a Democratic Congress to spend us into stagflation (ok, Bush has pretty much allowed that already, but it could get even worse, really), then it's not self-loathing for gays to support McCain.
On the other hand, if you think rhetorical expressions of support for gays override all other issues facing the nation, then clearly McCain is never going to please.
More. The value of experience.
Furthermore. Somewhat relatedly (gays and GOP), a Log Cabin board member argues that support for Washington State's expanded partnership rights bill fits in with the GOP's "history and tradition of promoting individual liberty and a belief in empowering states and local communities." Well, that's part of the GOP's history, but the good part that it's altogether correct to call the party home to.
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62 Comments for “On McCain”
posted by The Gay Species on
John McCain is no Barry Goldwater, but he is a survivor of the Keating Five. His mercurial temperament, his political casuistry, his indeterminacy, his flip-flops, and political prostitution appeal to you? 100 years in Iraq appeals to you? Millions of uninsured citizens? Destruction of the national infrastructure? Revolving debt so large it will take generations to repay? Insolvent social security? Tax-relief for the top 10% income earners, higher taxes and prices for everyone else? Immigration indetermination?
Homophilia need not enter the dynamic critical evaluation of whether or not to continue the most failed presidency in U.S. history. The man does not know Al Qaeda is not Iranian, for heaven’s sake. No coherent reason to support McCain avails. A tactical one to block HRC, if she steals the nomination, otherwise a candidate with character opposing a senile, mercurial, and unprincipled criminal benefactor.
posted by John on
While I don’t agree with everything said by the Gay Species above (McCain doesn’t strike me as senile, Bush Jr. does, however) I do agree that even without the “gay agenda,” there is little reason to support McCain. The only argument I can discern from this post is that he is not a Democrat. But such an argument no longer holds water. Bush has given us deficits as far as the eye can see, which at some point are going to require someone to raise taxes. It is dishonest to argue otherwise. Bush has also weakened our national security through his unilateral approach to American strategic interests, as if the US exists in a vacuum, and McCain has thoroughly embraced this approach, one which he once strenuously opposed.
I, like many, fought to end the Reagan era primarily because the federal government’s neglect of AIDS, but would gladly take another Bush Sr term and the multilateral approach to foreign intervention over Bush II, and a possible McCain administration, since he seems to have embraced the Bush II way of doing things so completely. At this point, I’ll vote for whichever Democrat is left standing.
posted by john ferguson on
I really would like to hear about the $31,000 threshold for up the gazebo tax increases. This is the first time I’ve encountered that number. You could send me the deconstruction or just a referral to a source on the web.
Thanks,
john
posted by avee on
Here’s a link:
Obama and Clinton both promise to reverse Bush’s tax cuts for wealthier taxpayers, but the Democratic budget they’ll be voting for would allow income tax rates to go up on individuals making as little as $31,850 and couples earning $63,700 or more. …
Under both Democratic plans, tax rates would increase by 3 percentage points for each of the 25 percent, 28 percent and 33 percent brackets. At present, the 25 percent bracket begins at $31,850 for individuals and $63,700 for married couples. The 35 percent bracket on incomes over $349,700 would jump to 39.6 percent.
posted by avee on
I should have added that, yes, both Obama and Clinton voted in favor of the blueprint referenced above.
posted by Richard J. Rosendall on
A friend of mine responds to Kirchick’s piece thus:
“I think Kirchick made the case for NOT supporting McCain. If you want to talk about thin, read his column again. If this is the best of his thoughts and LGBT journalists consider him one our brightest, we’re in trouble.
“So, we’re supposed to support McCain because the religious right dislikes him?
“McCain doesn’t favor a federal anti-gay marriage amendment because he’s pro states rights, not because he’s a defender of the constitution or a friend of our community. He proved that. I could deal with his not favoring same-gender marriage, but to want to deny us benefits too?
“Saying he’s ‘unashamed, unembarrassed, and proud’ to work with the Log Cabin Republicans sounds too much to me like ‘some of my best friends are black.’ Please. If he chooses to support McCain, he’s entitled. But his effort to make the case that McCain is a better choice for LGBT voters than either of the two Democrats is poorly thought out and poorly presented.”
posted by Bobby on
I hate John McCain, he can cram his medals up his ass.
However, I have to be fair.
“100 years in Iraq appeals to you?
—More like 5 or 8 more years. Who cares? There’s no draft, they’re fighting terrorism. The war in Iraq? Booooring. Let the volunteers fight and die, at least they get to have some fun. Iraq is a vacation compared to the corporate hell I used to deal with.
“Millions of uninsured citizens?”
—That’s not a problem. Aren’t your taxes high enough? Would you like to pay more? “Free” Healthcare isn’t free. Someone has to pay for it.
“Destruction of the national infrastructure?”
—Like the highways, sure, that’s a problem, but guess what? Nobody wants to pay higher gasoline taxes.
“Revolving debt so large it will take generations to repay?”
—Big deal, we got over the great depression, didn’t we?
“Tax-relief for the top 10% income earners, higher taxes and prices for everyone else?”
—-Taxes haven’t increased for anyone under Bush, in fact, they have decreased. But Obama wants to increase capital gains taxes, so the family that has $100,000 invested in the stock market is gonna pay 32% taxes, instead of 10%, which is the rate Bush gave us.
“Immigration indetermination?”
—Let the government take care of legal immigrants first. Too bad Tancredo didn’t win the nomination, he would have known how to protect the border. Instead now we’re stuck with John McCommie.
Well, this republican is not voting this election. If the GOP gives me a crappy candidate, they can kiss my vote goodbye. If Hillary wins the nomination, I’ll vote for her. She has more balls than McCain. The more Obama and his fellow nazis attack her, the more I love that woman. God bless Hillary!
posted by Brian Miller on
When reading these debates, I feel lucky to have a candidate who I can wholeheartedly support on most of the issues — including gay issues — without apology.
In contrast, the Demopublicans and Republicrats are busy arguing over whose candidate is worse, and have no genuine conviction in the principled approach of their own candidates to the well-being of the nation as a whole. How tragic for them.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Stephen, thanks for the heads up on the piece by TNR’s Kirchick; in today’s political lexicon, Kirchick “gets it” in my estimation. And you, too.
To me, the most salient reason for voting for McCain is not about his score on the GayLeft’s litmus agenda test du jour, nor his stand on the far more important WOT… for me, as a life-long GOPer, his leadership in the WH might mean a sea-change in the attitudes and exclusivity practiced by those who now dominate the GOP. I have to confess, there are many, many days I don’t even recognize my former Party… the intolerance, the hate, the mean-spirited personal attacks coming out of talk-radio’s headsets… all brandished like they are THE talking points and principles of the GOP.
I hope McCain does win in November. I hope he then kicks the RNC’s butt and takes on the intolerance of the ReliRight and “Conservative”TalkRadio… that we need to once again be the Party of the BigTent, the Party of equal opportunity and the Party that returns to the practice of civil, informed, discourse. That moderates serving in the House or Senate are good for the Party and that he stands against those who use the term RINO to dismiss policy differences on important issues of the day.
Hopefully, with McCain’s election, the days of TomDelay, Tancredo, Dobson and Coulter and others will finally come to an end.
For me, that’s why McCain is far more important to the GOP’s future than many here would attest. It’s a chance to move the Party and Nation back to mainstream American values. To impose fiscal discipline on DC. To protect the Homeland. To renew the Party and return it to the proud Party of Lincoln et al.
posted by Richard J. Rosendall on
Hey Bobby, that’s a real class act, saying you hate McCain and suggesting where he can shove his medals. I don’t support McCain, but I have the honesty and decency to respect his service to his country, including enduring brutality and torture for several years as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese. That doesn’t make me want to elect him president, but it does get my respect. I wonder what you think you accomplish with your crude insults.
posted by Bobby on
“I hope he then kicks the RNC’s butt and takes on the intolerance of the ReliRight and “Conservative”TalkRadio”
—Oh, you want him to put people in prison for “hate speech?” You’re such a liberal, real conservatives LOVE free speech and passionate debate. Real conservatives are not afraid of conservative talk radio.
“Hopefully, with McCain’s election, the days of TomDelay, Tancredo, Dobson and Coulter and others will finally come to an end.”
—Oh Michigan, without them the GOP is worthless, those people are the soul of the party. Without them the party is nothing. We don’t need to become the party of gun control, affirmative action and higher taxes, although that’s what you seem to want when you encourage a more moderate path. Dude, just vote democrat, ok? If you can’t be a good republican, don’t even bother. I’m a lot more conservative than you, not on sex, but on free speech, guns, taxes, and war. You on the other hand seems to want everyone to join hands and sing kumbaya. Dude, just vote for Obama, then he can stick all his “change” up America’s ass.
“It’s a chance to move the Party and Nation back to mainstream American values. ”
—And what exactly is that? Americans happen to love their Dobson’s, Coulter’s Falwell’s and other heroes on the right. Newsflash, most Americans wouldn’t take children to the Folsom Street Festival.
Look Michigan, you’re the one who’s unconfortable because you don’t belong in the republican party, you’re a liberal at heart. You don’t like Rush Limbaugh, you don’t like Coulter, I don’t even know why you bother to call yourself a republican.
I truly hope McCain loses, the more he snubs the right, the more he makes enemies on the right. And if we have to vote for Hillary or even Obama to ensure he doesn’t win, we’ll do it. We’ll teach that bastard a lesson for fucking with our country and with our party.
posted by brian on
“Let the volunteers fight and die, at least they get to have some fun. Iraq is a vacation compared to the corporate hell I used to deal with.”
Am I the only person who can’t decide whether Bobby is making bad attempts at parody? He can’t really mean what he writes.
posted by ColoradoPatriot on
I used to think that bobby’s statements were garbled due to English not being his first language…now I think that he is just another deranged crypto-homo.
Back on topic, I have always liked McCain but will never vote for him. He is on the far-end of the Old Guard GOP and I’ve spent enough time ramming my head against that nonsense. Time for new blood, time for Obama.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby offers: “Dude, just vote democrat, ok? If you can’t be a good republican, don’t even bother.”
Umm, Bobby, you were the one who stated open, dispositive rebellion with the Party’s apparent nominee… and the one who wrote -and I quote you- “If the GOP gives me a crappy candidate, they can kiss my vote goodbye. If Hillary wins the nomination, I’ll vote for her.”
Oh yeah, in your topsy-turvey world of situational politics, I guess that makes only YOU the good GOPer and solid Party regular? LOL.
Nawh, it doesn’t. Your positions have become pure cartoons of the FarRight groups I’d like to see McCain restrain in the Party. You and your cohorts should stay away from the 08 election; it’ll be a blessing.
Far from the “soul” of the Party (your term), the FarRight are a CANCER on the Party and a pox on the body politic.
And Ronald Reagan would never, ever recognize these people as true Republicans… he knew how to keep the whackoRight at bay, appeal to moderates and bluedog Democrats and restore America’s pride in herself. Jack Kemp and RR made it the Party of Equal Opportunity. McCain-Romney team will be able to restore that heritage when elected.
posted by Mark on
Mc Cain is a fool and a liar–he falsely reports on a connection between Iran and al Queda while endlessly spinning pro-war propoganda. Want a third Bush term? Vote Mc Cain.
posted by Richard on
Um yeah, it is self-loathing to vote for McCain. I have not been able to find a single gay rights issues that he supports, which should be of some note on a gay-webpage.
posted by Bobby on
English is not my second language.
Now, Michigan, I am a good republican that supports freedom of speech, and gun ownership. McCain supports neither. Anyone who supports campaign finance reform doesn’t support free speech. That evil law has free speech restriction. What McCain really wants to do is shut down talk radio, so republicans and democrats can do what they like with no accountability.
So rather than rewarding a bad republican, I would rather give a democrat a chance, provided that democrat is Hillary.
“Far from the “soul” of the Party (your term), the FarRight are a CANCER on the Party and a pox on the body politic.”
—Well, if you don’t like the right-wing cancer, there’s plenty of left-wing cancer in the democratic party. I guess Mr. Michigan does not believe in the marketplace of ideas, just like Hitler! Now where would you like your concentration camp, Adolph? I think Omaha is a good location, real estate is cheap there.
“And Ronald Reagan would never, ever recognize these people as true Republicans…”
—When Ronald Reagan was alive, he was attacked as a right-wing fascist everyday, he was vilified over the Contras, the economy, over not doing anything to fight AIDS, he was deeply religious, never read the New York Times, and you think he’d be on your side?
“he knew how to keep the whackoRight at bay,”
—Dude, he was the whackoRight.
posted by tristram on
mich-matt says “Hopefully, with McCain’s election, the days of TomDelay, Tancredo, Dobson and Coulter and others will finally come to an end.”
Matt – Haven’t you been listening to McCain? That list is the committee he’s promised to give veto power over his nominees for Federal judgeships. If McCain keeps his promises to the Republican right, you’re going to end up with a 6 or 7-justice Supreme Court, or a Court where his colleagues refer to Tony Scalia as “Lefty.”
posted by Michigan-Matt on
tristam, I haven’t heard John McCain say anything of the sort… in fact, he’s maintained that, as a good conservative, he’ll appoint federalist judges to SCOTUS who believe in judicial restraint not judicial activism.
There’s no committee of Dobson like goons hiding under the bed. Nice try at spin, though. What’s the next GayLeft talking point?
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby spins: “—When Ronald Reagan was alive, he was attacked as a right-wing fascist everyday, he was vilified over the Contras, the economy, over not doing anything to fight AIDS, he was deeply religious, never read the New York Times, and you think he’d be on your side?”
Wow, that is some selective memory there, Bobby. We were talking about former Democrat and union president Ronald Reagan who thought FDR was the best president in the 20th C?
Or are your statements a wild recreation of memory now to be called “pulling a Hillary” after her Bosnian sniper lies?
One reminder, yesterday, Nancy Reagan -“Ronnie’s wife and keeper of the eternal flame” ENDORSED her’s and Ronnie’s good friend John McCain by reminding people of what a REAL Republican like Ronald Reagan would do in these circumstances.
But you go ahead, sulk and pout and vote for Hillary. It only underscores how low the self-serving, exclusive barn-burning FarRight in the Party has fallen.
And you have the audacity to think of yourself as a “good Republican”? LOL.
posted by Bobby on
Michigan, the name of my party is “Grand Old Party,” not “Ronald Reagan Fetish Party” or “Reagan Old Party.”
Good republicans are not simply gonna endorse McCain just because Nancy Reagan likes him.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby, you’ve lost the argument, the battle and the war. At one point you’re wrapping yourself up in all that’s RonnieReagan and the next moment you’re singularly declaring RR isn’t an icon in the Party and his legacy isn’t germane? LOL!
Nancy Reagan sealed the fate of FarRight whacko types within the Party by declaring her support -and Ronnie’s too, from the grave- for John McCain.
For all those whack-jobs in the Party who contend they’ll vote for Hillary or Obama but are still good Republicans, it’s over. You aren’t good Republicans; you’re just sore losers. FreddieT didn’t make it; go find a room and have a good cry.
Maybe you all ought to go start an anti-immigration, anti-reform, purity party of your own? Oh wait, the Nativist Movement already had their shot at glory… in the 1850’s. But then, you guys don’t get the phrase “Been There; Done That”, do you?
posted by Bobby on
Michigan, you have something in common with McCain, you’re disconected from the wishes of most Americans. When McCommie tried to legalize illegal aliens, millions of hardworking Americans put a stop to that.
But like the New York Times, you don’t want to see reality. You don’t give a shit what most people want, you’re only interested in your elite of liberal republicans.
Most republicans don’t care about celebrities unless they happen to be conservative radio talk show hosts, so Nancy Reagan can support anyone for all I care, it doesn’t matter.
When Bush won the first and second times, he had the far right and moderate republicans on his side. The Rove strategy worked. This time it’s not going to be so easy, republicans have long memories, you can’t turn a liberal into a conservative in just a few months.
McCain is simply not likeable, the only reason he won is because the other choices had even less charisma.
So go ahead and support McCain, the only way he’ll become president is if Obama or Hillary suffer another scandal.
posted by Bobby on
Michigan, it’s too early to start relying on polls. A lead of 51% is not impressive, charismatic people like Obama and Hillary should have no problems beating that old military fart.
The economy is bad, too many people are pissed off with the war (which surprises me since there’s no draft), oil prices are high, a lot of whiners complain about health insurance, McCain doesn’t care about securing the border (neither do the democrats, but at least with the libs you know what you’re getting).
And by the way, if he supports lower taxes, how come he voted against making the Bush tax cuts permanent?
Strong defense? What about securing the border?
Strict constructionist? He doesn’t even support free speech, not even when a supporter of his defends him.
As for “bipartisanship,” dude, the whole point of electing a republican is so that he can act like a republican. If I wanted a liberal, I would vote for a liberal. And since McCain is a pseudo-conservative, I’d rather vote for an honest liberal like Hillary or even God forbid, Obama.
“The extreme FarRight is no longer needed for success in 08.”
—We shall see. After Al Gore lost the election, he and Clinton blamed the NRA for mobilizing the right. While the NRA may be supporting McCain, a lot of conservatives don’t like him, and the passion to support a republican isn’t so strong this time.
Michigan, you lost, you and your kind managed to corrupt the republican party, turning it into a party of neo-cons and fake conservatives, your moderate kind wanted to be liked by the left so you compromised your positions. Well, now you’re gonna reap your reward.
You might as well accept defeat now, it will hurt less later. Seriously, you don’t have to be a liberal to know that the dems are taking over next November. If you’re rich, I suggest you start moving your money to off-shore accounts. Big bad taxes are coming to bite you right in the ass. Hope you like it.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby, I think -once again- you’ve lost the debate, the battle and the war.
On your claim that McCain and I are disconnected from the wishes of most Americans… bzzzzzzzzt. W R O N G
Scott Rasmussen’s latest poll for today, 1600+ sampling, indicates that McCain leads Obama by 51-41% and Hillary by 50-43%. That’s polling of Americans- not voters, not likely voters. Just plain ol’ garden variety Americans. You’ve gotten it wrong… once again.
Most Americans like McCain (his favorable-2-unfavorable ratings beat all the former GOP contenders as well as all the current and former Democrat contenders). McCain’s is breaking 55-42% on that scale.
Does it hurt to be so wrong, so often?
It’s the crazy Uncle, mad-dog, angry armchair conservatives on the FarRight who don’t like McCain… the real problem is that those folks are the ones with the biggest mouths and greatest ego… and, the biggest character defect around: sore losers. Kind of reminds me of Rev Wright only on the other side of political spectrum.
Most mainstream conservatives LIKE McCain and see his maverick nature as an asset… and his commitment to fiscal discipline, lower taxes, strong defense, strict constructionist judicial appts and his proven track record of bipartisanship as beacons to draw forth independents in the 08 election. The extreme FarRight is no longer needed for success in 08.
You’re squarely in that camp; marginalized into meaninglessness by your own constructions.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby asks “And by the way, if he supports lower taxes, how come he voted against making the Bush tax cuts permanent?”
Oh now, come on? You can’t be really THAT dense? His rationale for the vote was that the cuts weren’t allied with the appropriate spending reductions –something that has been a hallmark of nearly every other major tax reduction omnibus bill since the Reagan tax cuts of 1981. In fact, even the Kennedy Tax cuts in 1962 had spending reductions included in the tax cut… long before the Republican majority of the Newt Gingrich Revolution made it the standard operating procedure.
I mean, really Bobby, you don’t even think before you spout off? You’ll keep losing arguments here and elsewhere unless you start doing some thinking before spouting.
I wrote “strong defense” and you see “border security”. True to the narrow FarRight agenda. Strong defense, to most people, means a strong military and winning the WOT, Bobby. But as a FarRight extremist, you’d fail to see that. True to form; time to get your dittohead card punched by the BigRush-bo.
McCain has repeatedly and endlessly affirmed that the major lesson he learned from the Immigration Reform effort of last summer was that we needed to secure the borders first. He will. Reagan and the conservative majority in the last six sessions of Congress didn’t do the job.
McCain will.
As for your nonsense that progressives or moderates ruined or corrupted the GOP… let’s remember that the majority of indicted Congressmen have been CONSERVATIVES. Tom Delay… Duke Cunningham… the corruption is from the FarRight wing of the Party who sold out to greed, power, and pride.
But like you, they’re sore losers who play the VictimHood Card faster than a $4000 hooker leaving a DC hotel.
The extreme FarRight isn’t needed on Election Day ’08 for a McCain victory. He’ll be picking up independents and moderate Democrats worried about America’s security.
You guys (the FarRight) have marginalized yourselves into meaninglessness footnotes. Loyal GOP conservatives will support McCain. You’re neither.
posted by Bobby on
“I wrote “strong defense” and you see “border security”.
—They’re the same thing! If you won’t protect the borders, you won’t have security. Any terrorist can enter the USA through mexico or Canada. McCain doesn’t even support building the wall. And frankly, if McCain needs to learn that lesson, he’s too much of an idiot to become president.
“He’ll be picking up independents and moderate Democrats worried about America’s security.”
—Nobody cares about that anymore, we haven’t had another 9/11, you can’t keep crying wolf and expect people to live in fear if they don’t see a wolf.
And by the way, winning the war on terror is next to impossible, Israel has been fighting it since 1948. You destroy one cell, another one appears. I’m glad we liberated Iraq from Saddam Hussein, but I hope neither Bush nor McCain wants us to go into Iran. The country simply cannot afford that, it’s too expensive, and most Americans don’t want to pay more taxes to finance an endless war.
Right now most Americans are concerned with the economy and the price of oil. Republicans won’t win anymore by screaming that they like security. Those days are over.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby opines in a opaque pine box “Nobody cares about that (security) anymore”
Um, Bobby, lift the lid on that coffin for a second… for the last 7+ years, Gallup, Roper and Rasmussen have been polling on the top 10 concerns of Americans and, more specifically, American voters.
Guess what? Either natl security, homeland safety, winning the WOT are in the top three every single, bloody polling survey. Unemployment, inflation, and consumer confidence are in the 5th-6th or 7th spots in the survey results for the last 93 weeks.
Right, Bobby. “Nobody cares”. Bzzzt. Another wrong answer.
BTW, no one will win in Nov without crafting a series of policies that address the top ten issues of concern of the current period -including economics. I didn’t write that the GOP was going to be screaming about security… I wrote that, in order to win, McCain didn’t need the extreme FarRight whack-jobs who will never come to gripes with their #1 issue: they no longer control the Party. McCain correctly assesses that he needs moderate, independent voters to win in Nov 08. And he’ll get them. Thank God.
Boo, bloody hoo for your extremist side. Now crawl back into that pine box the FarRight has built for itself. Loyal conservative GOPers don’t need your that special dose of hate coming from the FarRight anymore.
posted by Richard on
Trust me, the ‘extreme’ right-wing still controls the GOP. The fact that they are being kept underwraps this campaign, even issuing obligatory complaints, does not change anything.
McCain opposes every, from I can see, single LGBT issue. Now, maybe you do not place a high priority on such issues, but many gay voters will, at least, pay some attention these positions.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Richard asks for “trust” on his notion that the extreme right-wing still controls the GOP. Newsflash for you, Richard, if they did… their candidate FreddieThompson or Tancredo or Hunter would be the nominee right now, not McCain.
Please pay some attention to reality.
posted by Marcus on
Mr. Miller, please try to be less partisan in your posts. This is the Independent Gay Forum, no? You downplay the gay negatives of McCain and then downplay the gay positives of Obama, to make it seem as if on gay issues the candidates are basically the same.
In particular this line of yours sets up a false choice:
“On the other hand, if you think rhetorical expressions of support for gays override all other issues facing the nation, then clearly McCain is never going to please.”
It assumes that readers (again, on an Independent Gay Forum website), agree with McCain on “all other issues facing the nation,” and it also assumes that Obama offers nothing more than “rhetorical expressions of support for gays,” yet you offer nothing of substance to back up that assertion.
posted by Bobby on
Michigan, if the economy tanks and people lose their jobs, they’re not gonna give a damn about security. Things are shitty right now, you seem to be in denial, but there’s a mortgage crisis going on, gas prices are too high, and that’s why the democrats are winning. This is Politics 101, when the economy goes bad, the people vote for the other party.
And by the way, McCain just came out and said that America needs to listen to other countries and take their advice. How the hell is he gonna excite the American people with such pussy talk? Shame on him, part of being the #1 nation in the world is that you don’t listen to other countries, they listen to you. Bush may not be perfect, but at least he never made foreign policy based on the needs of other countries.
Michigan, you just don’t get it. The left will attack McCain without mercy, he needs support from the right, and from the way he’s been acting, he’s not gonna get it. The right will campaign against him, this is the equivalent of a meat eater exposing the virtues of vegeterianism, when the right speaks to conservatives, conservatives listen, while the haters from moveon.org lack credibility with my comrades, our haters don’t have that problem. If the right hates McCain and moves against him, he’s doomed.
But go ahead, take our votes for granted, we’ll punish you by supporting the democratic nominee.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby complains: “… that’s why (the economy tanking) the democrats (sic) are winning”.
Um, no they aren’t “winning” as you put it -not in the presidential sweepstakes. McCain is outpolling both leading Democrat candidates and any matchup with Libertarian or Green candidates. Will the economy play a role in November? Maybe. Will McCain pull more independents and moderate Democrats to his side than either Democrat contender? Yep. Polling proves that’s the case now and it’s the case historically for the GOPer… Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43, heck even Dole.
If you mean the Democrats are winning because they took the House and marginally have control in the Senate, then you’re wrong on the reasoning. They won those chambers because FarRight conservative GOPers ran the GOP brand into the ground with all the corruption, greed and sleaze they loaded into the headlines.
So, you’re wrong on the Democrats winning the prez sweepstakes and you’re wrong on why the Democrats won the House & Senate.
But don’t let that stop you, you’re on a roll. Like a square rock trying roll up a 60% grade hill.
posted by Richard on
MM
The GOP Platform is still being written by the far right, and the frontrunner, Mccain, is prolife and unable to endorse a single gay rights proposition.
Fred Thompson never had any real interest in being the nominee, and ran a lackluster campaign. The initial support from the right-wing fell, as did he.
Mike Huckabee had a pretty decent shot, but the far-right business interests were scarred to death of his populist message. Recently he been helping McCain buster up his image with the far right.
Tom never made it into any, or most, of the primary debates as was never able to raise the funds needed to be a blip on the rader. He got out of serving in Vietnam, and has a few other quirks for right wing voters.
A similar thing can be said of Hunter, although he does have some military service. Hunter got a few possible corruption issues that the right-wing could not handle, not to mention a beef with libertarians.
Please, keep in touch with the reality. Rudy was the only serious candidate to actually distance himself from the right-wing and his campaign came tumbling down. Ron Paul did so, but only in a limited manner.
The far right wing does not like McCain because at the end of the day he will probably do what they want, but will not always be too happy about it.
posted by Bobby on
You’re right about everything Richard, except this:
“The far right wing does not like McCain because at the end of the day he will probably do what they want, but will not always be too happy about it.”
—McCain is his own man, his loyalty is to no one, he is unpredictable, unreliable. When one of his supporters attacks Obama, he’s likely to condemn his supporter and defend Obama.
I see McCain as a dictator, similar to Hugo Chavez, someone who thinks he’s right even when everyone else thinks he’s wrong. If McCain wants to support gun control tomorrow (as he has done in the past), he’ll just tell conservative republicans to go fuck themselves. And if McCain wants to bring back the draft or invade Iran, he’ll have the same attitude.
Bush has tolerated a lot of insults and personal attacks during his presidency, he has never gotten angry on TV, didn’t chastise the country after the constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage failed, he had a whole “aw-shucks” mentality.
McCain is not gonna be that nice.
posted by Xeno on
McCain is not gonna be that nice.
Which is why in this election, he must be continuously pestered and agitated. The media should consistently be on his back and not give him a single inch. That will give him the image of an angry old man, and the electors will react negatively to that. He’s old, he’s angry, he’s not fit to be president. That should be the message.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Richard, let’s do a reality check for you, ok?
You contend the FarRight control the GOP… I contend you’re nuts because, if they did, the apparent nominee would be either FreddieT, Tancredo or Hunter… you say those guys either didn’t stand a chance or didn’t run a sufficiently effective campaign to win the nomination.
Guess what? You prove my point; thank you. Why? Because that means that the GOP majority who voted in the 47 state GOP primaries to date are more moderate, less pathologically extremist than the former GOP because that is clearly what McCain means to the average GOP voter. That’s why McCain gets blasted from the FarRight –he’s moderate, he’s a RINO, he can’t be trusted. Right… not by the FarRight extremists.
But loyal conservative GOP voters can trust him and do so, now, in increasing numbers.
The FarRight knows that they’re between a rock and hard place… they’ve railed against McCain, they’ve smeared him in every way possible and they lost. GOP voters still voted for him despite the rantings of the FarRight machine.
Now, you can say that FreddieT or Hunter or Tancredo didn’t stand a chance… maybe you’d even concede they didn’t stand a chance against the GOP “machine” or leadership… which is fair to opine.
But the simple, inexscapable truth is that McCain represents a changing prespective within the Party… a Party sickened and tired of extremism in the defense of corrupted powerbrokers.
The FarRight no longer controls the Party and the team coming out of StP/Mnpls in August… along with the Party platform… will prove that even to guys like you and Bobby who evade reality at every turn.
McCain’s nomination proves the Party grassroots and rank&file are moving to the Party’s historic preference for moderation. And as long the Democrat Party remains deeply embedded in the FarLeft, the independent voters will fall to the GOP.
Thanks, Richard, for proving my point that the Party is changing.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Umm and Richard, one final point… remember my suggestion that the GOP is changing?
Guess what? In a recent large POLITICO poll, Democrat voters were asked that if their candidate wasn’t the nominee, would they vote for John McCain.
And the results are:
32% said Yes, they’d vote for McCain if their candidate didn’t win the nomination;
15% said they were already voting for McCain.
http://dyn.politico.com/polls/poll_results.cfm?uuid=CC954AC9-3048-5C12-00665AECA12DF62D
Yeah, nothing’s changing in America or the GOP. Just partisan bs, is it Richard? LOL! Lesson? Moderation sells even to Democrats sickened by their Party’s hard left shift into extremism.
posted by Richard on
MM;
I have already explained why the specific GOP primary candidates failed, and how it had nothing really to do with some magical lack of power, by the far right, on the party.
Unlike you, I do not come into this with an agenda, I have not really made up my mind who to vote for. BTW, calling people a “nut” probably violates whatever ethical rules apply here (when they apply).
The far right is not the ONLY wing in the GOP, but they are a powerful one (if not THE) and Republicans dissent from them at their risk. McCain does not really disagree with them on abortion or gay rights OR at least knows better them to do so publically.
The GOP primary voters are certainly not more moderate. No candidate can expect to be taken seriously, most of the time, if they get little media coverage or debate access.
The far-right blast McCain because it makes him appear as if he is a moderate, and because they want someone who supports them and can smile about it.
Current Bush has been a puppet, for the far right, but McCain is a tad bit unprecredictable. I would not call him moderate, but he is not going to reject the far right wing,in any substantial way,on gay rights.
This is also why a part of the far right is talking about supporting a third party candidate and have been making this threat as far back as the late 1980s whenever some socially liberal GOPer looked like he might be a serious player for the nod.
The far right still controls the party,at least on social policy, and makes various threats and speeches to maintain this control. Many would rather have McCain then Hillary, if it came down to that, but are ensuring that McCain keeps on the right-wing path and to make a third party seem like a real threat.
Since the 1980s, the moderates are brought out on cue, for public relations, but have no real power. That is one reason to hold the convention in urban Minnesota.
I very much doubt that the GOP platform will dissent against the far right.
MM, I have heard many similar comments like yours about, “Oh the GOP is changing and the moderates will take over” for many decades now. I am no spring chicken and my memory of the GOP goes back to the 1960s.
posted by Charles Wilson on
Oh, this should be rich. The Log Cabinettes will hold a tea service and auxilliary at a hotel a mile away from the Republican convention. Their platform will ask the Republicans not to hate them, in return for their willingness not to come any nearer the convention hall or to appear in the media while mentioning their perversion.
Good God, not even Larry Craig will talk to the Cabinettes!
posted by Bobby on
“The far-right blast McCain because it makes him appear as if he is a moderate, and because they want someone who supports them and can smile about it.”
—That’s not the case, Richard, the far-right never wanted McCain to win the nomination, talk radio did everything to ensure his defeat, but they failed. There was malaise in the GOP, all the candidates where defective, McCain got lucky because he was able to appeal to lots of moderates and democrats who voted in republican primaries.
McCain is an enemy of talk radio, he has even made threats in the past to investigate Rush and others. Chances are a third candidate will rise up, and maybe he’ll have the Perot effect, dividing the republican vote and guaranteeing the presidency to a democrat.
The far-right doesn’t need McCain, even if Hillary or Obama becomes president, they’ll still have influence over the house, the senate, state and local governments.
McCain seeks to redifine conservativism, and the republican party. That’s why the far-right hates him, he’s like a cancer in our body politic, corrupting the ideology of the party, making the republican label meaningless, just like Bloomberg did.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Richard, it’s really simple. You need to hold on to some silly notion of a “vast right wing conspiracy controling the GOP” and I’m showing you that McCain won the nomination because he isn’t part of the FarRight wing… that he’s attracting hordes of Democrat voters because THEY see in him a difference from the past… and yet you still trot out whacked conspiracy theories like “The far-right blast McCain because it makes him appear as if he is a moderate, and because they want someone who supports them and can smile about it.” LOL! Do you actually read what you write, guy??
No, Richard, the FarRight blast McCain because he isn’t one of them. He won the nomination because the GOP is no longer controlled by the FarRight whacko wing and Democrats & Independents are supporting him in Nov because he is different from the model you’d like (or need) him to be in order to advance your agenda.
Sorry, you can’t keep ignoring reality unless you truly are an ostrich with your head in the sand. Just because you’re wrong doesn’t mean you have to be stupid about it.
Vast right wing conspiracy theories, Richard, went out of style and credibility with FirstLadyHillary’s smear campaign to divert attention from her hubbie’s perjury, adultery, garden variety lying and grossly immoral conduct.
To see you, in today’s world, try to trot out another scenario from a failed political playbook is pathetic. Silly, but pathetic.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Charles offers: “Their platform will ask the Republicans not to hate them, in return for their willingness not to come any nearer the convention hall or to appear in the media while mentioning their perversion.”
I doubt you’re even 5% correct about any of that, Charles.
I’ve been involved in GOP conventions since 1976 and the LogCabineers have been a presence at every single convention; on the floor, in the corridors surrounding the floor, in the pre- and post-event parties, on the Convention committees and subcommittees, in the press/media room, etc. I’ll bet they’d be more welcome than a radical black pastor will be at the Democrat’s Convention.
I’m not a fan or supporter of the LCRs. Until they disavow their decision to play in the GayLeft’s sandbox in 2004, they can remain in their irrelevant patch of space.
But you’re wrong about their presence at GOP conventions. Hell, Charles, I’ve even seen them at Midwest RNC Leadership Conferences, Southern RNC Conferences, Main Street GOP events, etc. Those events are so inside-the-ballpark for GOP Party regulars that you wouldn’t know it unless you’re a closet GOPer.
And for tittat that LCRs are holding a tea a mile away… for what it’s worth, Dobson’s people are holding a convention event prayer meeting & gathering at a hotel that’s 11 miles away from the Convention.
Big whoop. Distance is meaningless.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
“I have already explained why the specific GOP primary candidates failed, and how it had nothing really to do with some magical lack of power, by the far right, on the party.”
No Richard, you offered an implausible and wildly speculative opinion about why you think the FarRight’s candidates failed to convince GOP regulars to support them.
Explanations require at least a modicum of fact… your explanation was lacking, self-serving and implausible.
If you’d stick to the facts, it might be more convincing.
posted by Bobby on
The only way McCain can win is if Obama or Hillary screw up big time. So far that hasn’t happened. The only reason McCain poll numbers are up is because the democratic party is in dissaray, no candidate has won the nomination, and there’s that silly mess with the votes in Florida and Michigan. Once they get their shit together, McCain’s poll numbers are gonna take a dive.
posted by MIchigan-Matt on
Bobby, keep dreaming because it keeps your hope of teaching America and the GOP a painful lesson about veering from the “one true path, one true conservatism”.
The Democrats or extreme FarRight voters won’t be the deciders of this election… it’ll be new voters and independents.
Update your anger and resentment and get with the program, ok?
posted by Rob on
Bobby, keep dreaming because it keeps your hope of teaching America and the GOP a painful lesson about veering from the “one true path, one true conservatism”.
Didn’t you read my post? Bobby is correct, McCain stands no chance this November.
The Democrats or extreme FarRight voters won’t be the deciders of this election… it’ll be new voters and independents.
The FarRight? Oh, you mean the current GOP base. And BTW the independents are rooting for Obama. They don’t care much for the grumpy old man who voted for the war.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Rob, I read your post, considered your opinion, noticed that it wasn’t backed by any facts or detailed analysis beyond a headline-reading level of thought and, frankly, dismissed your opinion as uninformed.
Polling as of last Friday indicates that true independent voters are breaking for McCain v Obama 1.5 to 1; they aren’t rootin’ for Barry Obama. And on a Hillary matchup, they’re breaking 2.25 to 1 in favor of McCain. Guess you meant something else??
And as for your nonsense about the “grumpy old man who voted for the war”, 32% of Democrats contend that if they don’t get their choice for nominee, they’ll wisely vote for McCain’s seasoned leadership and proven bipartisan track record of over 30 yrs. (BTW, 12-15% of your fellow Democrat voters are already set to vote McCain, too)
You haven’t been paying attention to reality… the FarRight no longer controls the GOP base -as you also incorrectly and spuriously opine. If they did, as your unwarranted thoughts take you, then either Tancredo or FreddieThompson or Hunter would be in the nominee’s seat right now. To argue the reverse is just intellectually dishonest.
Try to stop ripping the Democrat talking points out of CodePink’s hands and rejoin reality and adults, Rob. It’ll help advance the discussion.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
And by the way, the only “agrny grumpy old men” around seem to be the angry armchair FarRight conservatives inflamed that “traitor” McCain (on immigration, on border security, on education, on working with people like Kennedy, Liberman and Chaffee) is the GOP nominee.
The proof, in this case, is in the people most alarmed by a McCain candidacy and presidency… the FarRight whackjobs.
As for crossover voters… a question for the Democrat Plantation dwellers who comment here, if McCain is so bad, why is he outpolling Barry Obama 47-42%, outpolling Hillary 49-40% and even making blue states like New Jersey, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Virginia “toss up” states?
It’s because McCain appeals to moderates, independents and blue collar Democrats who still love our Country.
posted by Bobby on
” the FarRight no longer controls the GOP base ”
—So what you’re saying is that most republicans don’t read Ann Coulter, listen to Rush Limbaugn (and plenty of other right-wing radio shows) or read The National Review. Come on, dude, we may not control them all the time, but we’re a huge influence on them.
“Polling as of last Friday indicates that true independent voters are breaking for McCain v Obama 1.5 to 1”
—True, but independents aren’t the only people voting, ask Karl Rove about it if you don’t believe me. But whatever, I guess to you only moderates are important, who needs evangelicals to win elections? Who needs leftwingers and rightwingers and passionate people with all kinds of agendas?
There are many republicans unhappy with the current state of the party. I’m willing to bet that the democratic nominee will get lots of revenge votes in his favors.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby, most GOPers think Ann Coulter is a buffoon or worse, a publicity seeking whore. Like Rush, she has a narrow but vocal spectrum of the ranters and ravers in her camp. I’d be hard pressed to name a single responsible person who thinks Ann Coulter speaks with a reasoned, rational voice. And Rush is simply entertainment for the “everyman’s” voice.
The simple, apparent truth continues to escape you because you can’t handle it: the GOP has shifted to its moderate, historic center… like it was before the FarRight radicals hijacked the Party for their splurge of corruption in Congress.
McCain, the ultimate maverick and moderate-to-conservative GOP nominee in the entire pack of candidates has won the Party’s nomination. That fact is inescapable. The GOP voters chose him over FarRight’s flawed candidates. It’s a fact.
You don’t want it to be a fact because that means your group’s tenuous grasp on the GOP’s agenda is being loosened before the collective group’s fingers are cold and dead.
Loyal GOP conservatives, loyal GOP moderates, independents, and Democrats who still love this Country will be voting in November and McCain will take the lion’s share of those votes. Except for angry, disgruntled, mean-spirited poor losers like you -who have said they’ll vote for Hillary or Barry Obama- and hardline Democrats, it appears that McCain’s candidacy will put solidly blue states into serious contention.
Never would have happened with the FarRight’s FreddieT or CrazyTancredo or HaplessHunter.
You should be applauding the Party’s center for finally saving the Party from the onerous, burdensome legacy of the FarRight.
Or maybe you’d like to hold a get-together party when all those convicted FarRight ex-Congressmen get released from the federal pen? LOL.
On your point about “revenge” votes from the FarRight whackjobs… if you look at generic Congressional ballots, GOP moderates and GOP conservative voters hold a statistic deadheat on preferences -and are holding equally for McCain. Conservatives aren’t jumping ship on McCain; like with you, it’s all talk because when it comes time for the chickens to scratch dirt and peck, they’ll do it. Now’s just the time for angry, disgruntled, mean-spirited poor losers to vent, rant and rave.
It’s ok, though. I did it when the Party nominated RonnieReagan and sidestepped a more qualified, more experienced Geo H Bush. Once Bush was on the ticket, I could pull the lever with the hope that RR would be a 1 term prez. I understand your frustration and anger, Bobby.
But the facts don’t support anything you contend. And that’s the cold, hard, inescapable truth.
posted by Bobby on
“Bobby, most GOPers think Ann Coulter is a buffoon or worse, a publicity seeking whore.”
—Yet her books are often in the New York Times best seller’s list. Just like Rush Limbaugh has the highest ratings in talk radio. There’s plenty of real buffoons that would kill to have 10% of the success those people have.
” it appears that McCain’s candidacy will put solidly blue states into serious contention.”
—The blue states oppose the war, they’ll never vote for a republican candidate, unless the previous president was a democrat and did such a bad choice that voting republican was the only choice that made sense.
“You should be applauding the Party’s center for finally saving the Party from the onerous, burdensome legacy of the FarRight.”
—I can’t applaud that, England has a far-left party and a moderate party. The results have been unprecedented taxation (including punitive “sin” taxes), more prosecution against hate speech, gun control to the point where olympic pistol shooting athletes have to practice in France, unfair congestion taxes, invasive and expensive closed circuit TV, and lots of other ills. In England, it doesn’t matter who you vote for because either party will raise your taxes.
So fine, John McCain is a conservative when it comes to the war and abortion. But what’s gonna stop him from banning “hate speech” in radio? From increasing campaign finance reform? From passing gun control laws?
With Bush, we knew he could veto any law the GOP base didn’t like. But McCain is as you say, a maverick, he does what he wants, he’s accountable to no one. Maybe that’s why he appeals to moderates, what better than a lose cannon like McCain to appeal to them?
What you don’t realize is that now that the democratic party has been taken over by leftwingers, the GOP cannot afford to be moderate. When people vote republicans, they do it because they don’t like affirmative action, gun control, higher taxes, health insurance for everyone, immigration amnesty, and lots of other things the democrats love. That is our appeal to the American people, that is what separates us from the Obama’s and Clinton’s of the world.
With McCain, we lose that appeal.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby, like I wrote above: “But the facts don’t support anything you contend. And that’s the cold, hard, inescapable truth.”
You offer: “The blue states oppose the war, they’ll never vote for a republican candidate….”
Bzzt. Wisconsin, Michigan, New Jersey, Virginia etc are either polling for McCain right now or moving into incredible single digits contention against either Barry or Hillary. Bzzt goes the buzzer with some redundancy there Bobby.
I’ll skip the balance of your comments because they’re just more of the same usual opinions lacking any serious weight.
The FarRight has marginalized itself into meaninglessness. This general election will be all about the political center and whacko FarRught guys like FreddieT, CrazyTancredo or HaplessHunter aren’t even in the picture. The GOP didn’t want ’em; the base has moved toward the center with McCain.
You guys did it to yourselves.
posted by Bobby on
The war is not over, Michigan. Remember Ross Perot? He managed to divide the republican vote, hopefully some third party candidate will achieve the same goal.
Politics is about appealing to everyone, not just moderates. That’s what you don’t seem to understand.
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Bobby, when you offered “Politics is about appealing to everyone….” you literally hit the nail on the head.
If the GOP base had favored one of the FarRight candidates running in open ground alongside McCain in the primaries, the Party would have appealed to very few extremists with the same ax to grind as you have. Guys who think it’s about amnesty. About Nativism. About fictional assaults on free speech. About US troops under UN generals.
Thanks for making my point. McCain does appeal to everyone of reason within the Party as well as Independents, Democrats who have remained patriotic, moderates of both parties and loyal GOP conservatives.
That’s why the GOP base is supporting McCain. That’s why he has the nomination long before the Dems even settle on who ought to have their’s… you’re enitrely right. Politics means appealing to more than just the FarRight… if we had, the GOP would be fatally crippled right now with no hope in maintaining the WH.
Just like the Dems taught all in the 06 elections… there’s more to be had in the middle/center when your opposing political party goes into the extreme. The GOP base captured that lesson in one cycle and, while the Dems move to the extreme, the GOP will now have the center for our Party.
Third Party candidates aren’t coming out of the GOP. Ralph Nader will have little impact on the Dem’s outcome. Libertarians and Greenies are irrelevant.
posted by Charles Wilson on
I’ve been involved in GOP conventions since 1976 and the LogCabineers have been a presence at every single convention; on the floor, in the corridors surrounding the floor, in the pre- and post-event parties
Ha! The only place the Cabinettes are in the Republican Party is on their knees in the bathrooms — when they lights are off. Your party hates you and finds your very existence offensive and embarrassing.
What’s truly pathetic is that you keep coming back and asking for more. In private, I could understand it. But in public? What do you get out of it?
posted by Charles Wilson on
And by the way, I stopped taking James Kirchick seriously the minute he whined to the Boston Globe about how he can’t get a date because he’s wingnut. I guess the Boston Herald wouldn’t print his lament, because they hate fags just like the rest of the wingers.
posted by Bobby on
Fine Michigan, you win. I admit people like Tancredo don’t appeal to everyone, and that McCain has a wider appeal.
“James Kirchick seriously the minute he whined to the Boston Globe about how he can’t get a date because he’s wingnut”
—I doubt that’s the case, maybe he’s ugly. Now I weight 207 pounds (I’m 6 feet tall) and better looking guys hit on me. I’m telling you, it’s not about personality or politics, otherwise I’d never get laid. If Michael Moore and Adolph Hitler ever go to a gay bar, it’s Hitler that’s getting laid. The fuhrer happens to be leaned and toned. Moore might be do better in the bear scene, which is extremely small and a waste of time unless you happen to be into bears. If you’re not into bears, then you have to compete for the few skinny bear chasers in the bar or online. Frankly, who needs the aggravation? What Kirchick needs to do is find a personal trainer, drink Whey, Muscle Milk, take MaxLean AM and PM to increaes his metabolism, burn 500 to 1000 calories a day, keep a food diary, do weight training, and then more men will hit on him. Other than that, I don’t know if he should shave his chest. What sells more, hairy or hairless?
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Charles Wilson hisses “The only place the Cabinettes are in the Republican Party is on their knees in the bathrooms”
Charles, the word “repulsive” kinds caps your comment and attitude. You may feel good about selling out gay interests to your Democrat Party Plantation masters, but don’t try to find solace in some windbag attestation that YOUR party takes you more seriously… they don’t.
posted by Charles Wilson on
Matt, is that your friend Matt Sanchez calling? Getting ready for a little Republican Tijuana Toilet Tramps action at the next CPAC meeting?
posted by Charles Wilson on
Matt, is that your friend Matt Sanchez calling? Getting ready for a little Republican Tijuana Toilet Tramps action at the next CPAC meeting?
posted by Michigan-Matt on
Even more hissing, ChasWilson? You know, I think the folks at Wiki were right… you ARE obsessed with Matt Sanchez. And it’s not a healthy thing for you, Chuckie.
Again, seek some professional help. I’m serious. I’ve watched angry bitter gays come to cling to their guns and religion over things like this… and you’ve made it very clear you have neither of those to fall back on.
Maybe a paddle, maybe a boat?
http://www.matt-sanchez.com
I wonder if you were aware that Sanchez’s blog has taken a marked uptick these last fews days of your spittle and foam? I think when IGF readers get to his site, they’ll be able to learn he’s been visiting the troops, telling their stories, raising money for their families back home and building troop morale without reference to his porn past.
It’s a shame some people make good out of their lives and all you can do is be spiteful. Petty and spiteful.