Episcopal parishes in Virginia plan to place themselves under the leadership of the Anglican archbishop of Nigeria, Peter Akinola, who has called the growing acceptance of gay relationships a "satanic attack" on the church, and who supports legislation in his country that would make it illegal for gay men and lesbians to form organizations, read gay literature or eat together in a restaurant.
As I've said before, let those who want to march in lockstep to a gospel of hate go their own way. That such as Akinola is even awarded prominent standing within the Anglican Communion would make me question why anyone who embraces the gospel message would want to be affiliated with such a body at all.
More. Washington Post columnist Harold Meyerson nails it.
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Northdallass, if anyone has demonstrated that the facts are completely irrelvant to their statments and actions it is clearly and undeniably you. You’re not in any position to be criticizing me. You’ve lied close to 100 times in this thread alone. My being unaware of a trivial irrelevant point regarding the bigotted Christian bus driver doesn’t even remotely begin to compare with your shitting all over the rules of fairness and your own god’s commandment not to bear false witness.
In a previous post you claimed to have provided a link showing Minnnesota had a law banning sexual orientation discrimination prior to me decrying the lack of such a law. Contrary to that, your link showed you provided that information after I made that comment. You lied by saying I “tear down married and normal couples as “Stepford wives”" when I did no such thing. You lied when I repeatedly expressed horror at Afghani tribesman skinning Christian aid workers alive by saying “Doubtless there are ones like you, which would claim that their actions were justified because the Christians “attacked them”" when it was you joking about this situation to trivialize it and then who later tried to justify their actions YOURSELF by saying the Christians attacked them. You lied saying I supported torture when I never said any such thing. When I pointed out that YOUR god unjustly wants to overlook the sins of humankind you lied and said “Furthermore, according to your leftist logic, people don’t have to be sent to prison for their crimes; after all, can’t the justice system just “overlook” the sins of individuals?”. You lied and claimed I said I was perfect when I said no such thing and in fact repeatedly emphasized my imperfection
Your lie was “Second, you again try to use human imperfectibility to disprove God — but refuse to apply said imperfectibility to your own leftist philosophy that humankind CAN be perfected.”.
I never said humankind can be perfected. I repeatedly said the perfect philosophy is “Do whatever you want, but hurt no one.” and that people, including me are inevitably imperfect and the goal is to come as close to living the philosophy as we can. Human imperfections don’t disprove your god, the idea that a loving and just god would allow belief in him and his religion of preference to be debatable and then eternally torture people for innocently believing otherwise proves your god doesn’t exist in the same way a square sphere cannot exist. I barely even touched on your lies and it was a simple matter to pull those out of the ones that exist in post after post of yours.
You say “you have already made up your mind that God is evil; nothing will convince you otherwise, regardless of how realistic or fact-based it is.”. “Realistic and fact-based”! What a joke! The words of your buy-bull itself clearly incriminate your god in a way that is completely inexcusable to any rational person. You’ve lied and provided absurdity after absurdity in a vain attempt to justify your psychotic war god’s evil actions. The undeniable evil of your god is obvious in Deuteronomy 7: 1,2,16
“When the Lord your God delivers them over to you to be destroyed, do a complete job of it – don’t make any treaties or show them mercy; utterly wipe them out.”
Your god demands that harmless women, children, and babies be murdered. Your god demands that they be utterly wiped out even if they seek to make peace. Your attempt to justify this was laughable. You said this was excusable because in Deteronomy 2 god tells the Jews not to kill the Moabites. Just like Charles Manson isn’t a bad guy because he didn’t order his followers to kill some of the people they came across.
Exodus 20: 5 also shows the disgusting undeniable evil of your god:
“…And when I punish people for their sins, the punishment continues upon the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of those who hate me;”.
You’re just going to claim there’s a “realistic and fact-based” justification for that without providing one?!?! Get your head out of your butt! You couldn’t provide a realistic and fact based justification for that in a million years if your life depended on it and you know it and that’s why you don’t even attempt to do so. Instead of condemning your god’s evil act of punishing innocents for the acts of others you hide like the pathetic liar you are, implying you could justify it but of course failing to do so, because its impossible.
The foundation of your religion is nonsensical evil. Your god kills his innocent self to appease himself to overlook the evil of others. Its like a mother of two saying “Julie was so terrible today that I beat the hell out of Joey.” Any parent that did that would be rightfully condemned as psychotic and evil and its is no different with your evil psychotic war god. Your god overlooking Afghani tribesmen skinning Christian aid workers alive can only be justified by his non-existence.
My being unaware of a trivial irrelevant point regarding the bigotted Christian bus driver doesn’t even remotely begin to compare with your shitting all over the rules of fairness and your own god’s commandment not to bear false witness.
And again, where something took place, what actually happened, and what the governing law actually says constitute a “trivial irrelevant point” in Randi’s viewpoint.
I think that says it all — and which is why I stand on my documented example of her actions in the absence of facts, as well as her numerous attempts to cover that up.
Northdallass, it shows what a fool you are when you think a trivial point outweighs your lying close to one hundred times in this thread alone. To point out but a few: You lied by saying I “tear down married and normal couples as “Stepford wives”" when I did no such thing. You lied when I repeatedly expressed horror at Afghani tribesman skinning Christian aid workers alive by saying “Doubtless there are ones like you, which would claim that their actions were justified because the Christians “attacked them”" when it was you joking about this situation to trivialize it and then who later tried to justify their actions YOURSELF by saying the Christians attacked them. You lied saying I supported torture when I never said any such thing. When I pointed out that YOUR god unjustly wants to overlook the sins of humankind you lied and said “Furthermore, according to your leftist logic, people don’t have to be sent to prison for their crimes; after all, can’t the justice system just “overlook” the sins of individuals?”. You lied and claimed I said I was perfect when I said no such thing and in fact repeatedly emphasized my imperfection. You repeatedly lied and said my philosophy was “love, love, do whatever you want” while omitting the but harm no one” commandment that is central to it.
You falsely blame and condemn me for punishing the innocent but you refuse to condemn your god for HIS punishing of the innocent.
Exodus 20: 5
“…And when I punish people for their sins, the punishment continues upon the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of those who hate me;”.
You have no excuse for the undeniable evil of your god and you don’t have the honour, decency and morality to condemn his inexcusably evil actions.
Your buy-bull condones slavery and beating slaves to death as long as they don’t die for a couple of days and instead of condemning that you attempt to justify it. Your god tortures and murders and orders the murder of innocents and you want to pretend that somehow in some twisted bizzaro world that my not knowing alleged Minnesota law excuses that. You truly are deluded and evil.
You can’t justify your god’s evil actions and evil absence of action when the Afghanis skinned the Christian aid workers alive so instead of acknowledging reality and morality and condemning his evil you hide behind trivial irrelevancies like the pathetic lying weasel you are. You worship evil and you clearly reflect evil
Northdallass, it shows what a fool you are when you think a trivial point outweighs your lying close to one hundred times in this thread alone.
Again, Randi, if you think it’s a “trivial point” to miss where something happened, what actually happened, and what the exact details of the law governing the situation are, that says it all.
You keep trying to insist I said this, I said that, the Bible says this, the Bible says that….when, as I pointed out, you can’t even be bothered to read and research a simple, easy-to-read law before making loud commentary upon it. Furthermore, what that makes even more obvious is that you are unable to objectively read or interpret anything related to religion, given that you still believe, despite having been shown it in black and white, that said law does not protect sexual orientation.
In short, of course you’re going to call me evil. You cannot read or interpret what you read in any other way, regardless of what is actually said, because your hatred of me and the religion I follow completely blinds you to anything else.
And, for purposes of stopping the bold:
Northdallass, your repetitive lies are documented throughout this thread. I’ve quoted you exactly and your evil buy-bull exactly. My being unaware of alleged Minnesota law doesn’t even remotely compare to the evil of you and your bible. Anyone who objectively reads your buy-bull can see the evil represented in Exodus 20: 5
“…And when I punish people for their sins, the punishment continues upon the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of those who hate me;”.
Its going to take some damn fancy interpreting for you to “justify” that, In fact you know you can’t deny that evil and you don’t have the honour and morality to condemn it.
Its obviously not a matter of me trying to insist it says that, that is what it says and its laughable that you would pretend to deny it.
And let’s not forget
Deuteronomy 7: 1,2
“When the Lord your God delivers them over to you to be destroyed, do a complete job of it – don’t make any treaties or show them mercy; utterly wipe them out.”
Only the evil or incredibly delusional can see that as anything but the evil it is. What kind of evil god orders the murder and torture of innocent people, women, children, and babies? You falsely criticize me for punishing the innocent and yet you fail to condemn your evil god for murdering the innocent. Now you’re even denying the words in your own despicable buy-bull. You haven’t even got the integrity to admit what’s there for all to see.
My being unaware of alleged Minnesota law doesn’t even remotely compare to the evil of you and your bible.
Again, Randi, you point out the problem; even after having it shown to you, you STILL use “allegedly” when referring to Minnesota law, as if you think it doesn’t protect on the basis of sexual orientation and guarantee that requests for reasonable accomodation on the basis of religious or other status can be made without threat of reprisal or punishment by employers, unions, or other employees.
If you can still interpret something said that clearly as “allegedly”, it makes clear that you are unable to recognize or acknowledge that which conflicts with your belief system — and that, even when shown the facts of the matter, you will continue to make statements directly contradictory to them, even going to the extreme of criticizing the people who actually show you the facts and blaming them for the statements that you made without knowing them.
Hence, as before, if you do that with a state law that only nominally has anything to do with religion, one can only imagine how much more you’ll do it with the Bible. And you’ve quite nicely demonstrated that.
Northdallass as I’ve said before, I don’t hang on your every link and I haven’t read any links you provided on alleged Minnesota law. As you’ve proven you’re a notorious liar and your links frequently don’t prove anything of the sort you claim them to I’m not about to waste time reading everything you present. As such as far as I know your claims about Minnesota law are mere allegations.
Regardless you just admitted that the state’s law has only nominally anything to do with religion. You’re confirming what I’ve said all along, that was an irrelevant point. If something is immoral in Canada, its immoral in Minnesota, or Iran, or London England. It was immoral for that Christian bus driver to promote the banishment of harmless gays as sinners and its irrelevant where that took place, it was just wrong.
And as you confirmed, this has little to do with the immorality of your religion and your repeated lies to shamefully attempt to defend the indefensible.
In the thread
http://www.indegayforum.org/blog/show/31136.html#commentform at December 18, 2006, 12:30pm you lied and said I “tear down married and normal couples as “Stepford wives”".
In this thread on December 25, 2006, 1:40am, the alleged birthday of your supposed lord and savior, after I repeatedly expressed horror at the injustice of Afghanis skinning Christian aid workers alive you lied and said “Doubtless there are ones like you, which would claim that their actions were justified because the Christians “attacked them”.”. I said no such thing. While at first you condemn the idea that it was justfied on December 27, 2006, 4:28pm you do a one hundred and eighty degree turn and and condemn the idea that the attack WASN’T justified: “You weren’t there; how do you know that one of the aid workers didn’t try to kill one of the workers?…Why don’t the Afghans get the same benefit of the doubt from you and your fellow leftists?”.
Typical of your lying nature, you’ll claim polar opposites are true at different times in a vain attempt to make someone other than yourself look bad.
On December 27, 2006, 4:28pm you lied yet AGAIN by saying “YOU said that, if someone tries to murder you, it’s perfectly justifiable to kill and torture them.” I never said it was okay to torture any one for any reason. I said it was justifiable to kill someone if that’s what it takes to prevent them from killing you first.
On December 28, 2006, 4:59pm after I condemned YOUR god for wanting to overlook humanity’s evil by committing the evil act of killing the innocent Jesus, you lied AGAIN by saying “according to your leftist logic, people don’t have to be sent to prison for their crimes; after all, can’t the justice system just “overlook” the sins of individuals?”.
That’s YOUR god’s “logic” that says people don’t need to be punished for their crimes, not mine. I repeatedly condemned YOUR god’s trying to place responsbility for sins upon somone other than the person responsible for them.
AtDecember 27, 2006, 3:44pm you lied AGAIN by saying “you again try to use human imperfectibility to disprove God — but refuse to apply said imperfectibility to your own leftist philosophy that humankind CAN be perfected.” I never said human imperfectability disproves your god and I never said humankind can be perfected. In fact I repeatedly emphasized the inevitability of humanities imperfection and that the only practical goal was to come as close as possible to living the perfect philosophy of “Do whatever you want, but hurt no one.” It was you who claimed and continue to claim mine and other’s imperfections invalidate that philosophy. What I’ve repeatedly emphasized is that a loving and just god that allows belief in him and his religion of preference to be debatable and who eternally tortures people for innocently believing otherwise cannot exist anymore than a square sphere exists.
On December 21, 2006, 5:27pm you lied AGAIN by saying “The temptation of modern-day Christians, in attempt to make the religion more palatable to bigots like Randi and Raj, is to downplay the whole thing because it doesn’t portray the “love, love, do whatever you want” of modern permissive theology.”. The philosophy I’ve repeatedly emphasized is “Do whatever you want, but hurt no one “. You left out the critical commandment over and over to falsely state that that is what is “palatable” to me.
These are but a few of the dozens and dozens of your lies throughout this post. That you claim my being unaware of Minnesota law invalidates everything I’m saying while failing to acknowledge your repeated lies destroy your credibility merely emphasizes your despicable character.
That you fail to condemn your god character for his evil actions and evil inaction when Afganis skinned Christian aid workers alive further emphasizes your despicable evil nature.
To a rational person Exodus 20: 5 can only be explained as evil:
“…And when I punish people for their sins, the punishment continues upon the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of those who hate me;”.
Only the insane or evil can say the punishment of the innocent is anything but evil. Only an evil god would torture and kill the innocent Jesus to unjustly overlook man’s incredibile inhumanity to man.
The evil of your god is undeniable in Deuteronomy 7: 1,2,16
“When the Lord your God delivers them over to you to be destroyed, do a complete job of it – don’t make any treaties or show them mercy; utterly wipe them out.”
Your god demands that harmless women, children, and babies be murdered. Your god demands that they be utterly wiped out even if they seek to make peace.
In Exodus 1,2 the actions of your god character show his despicable nature:
“Then the lord said to Moses, “Go back again and make your demand upon Pharoah, but I have hardened him and his officials so that I can do more miracles demonstrating my power. What stories you can tell your children and grandchildren about the incredible things I am doing in Egypt! Tell them what fools I made of the Egyptians and how I proved to you that I am Jehovah.”
This totally disproves your attempt to justify your god’s inaction when the Afghanis skinned the Christians alive and his inaction when millions have been tortured and killed over the millenia. Contrary to your lies your god does not consider human free will inviolable. His violating human free will to evilly cause human conflict for his own pleasure while failing to do so to prevent evil demonstrates his undeniable evil nature.
Your attempt to “justify” your god’s evil with dozens and dozens of lies by hiding behind my not knowing irrelevant details of an irrelevant incident is shameful, disgraceful, evil, and laughably ineffectual.
Northdallass as I’ve said before, I don’t hang on your every link and I haven’t read any links you provided on alleged Minnesota law. As you’ve proven you’re a notorious liar and your links frequently don’t prove anything of the sort you claim them to I’m not about to waste time reading everything you present. As such as far as I know your claims about Minnesota law are mere allegations.
Then you might want to read them, no?
Especially since you’re now arguing that said bus driver wanted gays “banished”.
And finally, Randi, you demand that I say something, give you links to counter your hypotheses and statements about God…..but you admit that you don’t read them and that you aren’t going to read them.
Northdallass, when you repent of your lies, apologize for at least the few more egregious ones I’ve outlined, and start showing some consistency in speaking the truth and relevance I’ll start reading all your links again.
You can start by admitting the obvious. No moral omnipotent being allows Afghani tribesmen to skin Christian aid workers alive, not to mention the millions of other people who were allowed to torture and murder their fellow man over the millenia.
Northdallass, when you repent of your lies, apologize for at least the few more egregious ones I’ve outlined, and start showing some consistency in speaking the truth and relevance I’ll start reading all your links again.
But until then, you’re just going to continue to make patently-false statements, such as your one that Minnesota law only “allegedly” protects sexual orientation, or that said bus driver wants gays “banished”, because you won’t read the links provided.
No skin off my nose there.
Oh, so you are going to apologize for all those shameful lies, repent, and start consistently speaking the truth and relevance?
You can start by admitting the obvious. No moral omnipotent being allows Afghani tribesmen to skin Christian aid workers alive, not to mention the millions of other people who were allowed to torture and murder their fellow man over the millenia.
That to a rational person Exodus 20: 5 can only be explained as evil:
“…And when I punish people for their sins, the punishment continues upon the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of those who hate me;”.
That only the insane or evil can say the punishment of the innocent is anything but evil. That only an evil god would torture and kill the innocent Jesus to unjustly overlook man’s incredibile inhumanity to man.
That the evil of your god is undeniable in Deuteronomy 7: 1,2,16
“When the Lord your God delivers them over to you to be destroyed, do a complete job of it – don’t make any treaties or show them mercy; utterly wipe them out.”
That your god demands that harmless women, children, and babies be murdered. That your god demands that they be utterly wiped out even if they seek to make peace.
That in Exodus 1,2 the actions of your god character show his despicable nature:
“Then the lord said to Moses, “Go back again and make your demand upon Pharoah, but I have hardened him and his officials so that I can do more miracles demonstrating my power. What stories you can tell your children and grandchildren about the incredible things I am doing in Egypt! Tell them what fools I made of the Egyptians and how I proved to you that I am Jehovah.”
That this totally disproves your attempt to justify your god’s inaction when the Afghanis skinned the Christians alive and his inaction when millions have been tortured and killed over the millenia. Contrary to your lies your god does not consider human free will inviolable. His violating human free will to evilly cause human conflict for his own pleasure while failing to do so to prevent evil demonstrates his undeniable evil nature.
I haven’t seen anything that tells me what Minnesota law is and therefore my statement is the truth. I have made no patently false statements unlike the dozens and dozens you have made throughout this thread.
Oh, so you are going to apologize for all those shameful lies, repent, and start consistently speaking the truth and relevance?
Actually, what I’m going to do is just let you continue to make patently-false statements, such as your one that Minnesota law only “allegedly” protects sexual orientation, or that said bus driver wants gays “banished”, because you won’t read the links provided.
In short, your threat is basically, “Do as I want, or I’ll keep making a fool of myself.”
You’ll have to do much better than that.
You worship a psychotic sadistic baby killer and I’m supposed to be the fool. That’s rich.
Exodus 20: 5 can only be explained as evil:
“…And when I punish people for their sins, the punishment continues upon the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of those who hate me;”.
You really idolize an admirable character:
Exodus 1,2
“Then the lord said to Moses, “Go back again and make your demand upon Pharoah, but I have hardened him and his officials so that I can do more miracles demonstrating my power. What stories you can tell your children and grandchildren about the incredible things I am doing in Egypt! Tell them what fools I made of the Egyptians and how I proved to you that I am Jehovah.”
And Deuteronomy 7: 1,2,16 really highlights your Christian “values”:
“When the Lord your God delivers them over to you to be destroyed, do a complete job of it – don’t make any treaties or show them mercy; utterly wipe them out.”
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